NYCkayaker public access etc
Harry J. Bubbins
carrotjuice@friendsofbrookpark.org
Wed Nov 1 14:24:56 EST 2006
Please, this is silly, and along the lines of the misogynistic comments some
time of recent posts. I think the comments and exploration of ways and
manners in which to enhance public access, storage, increased paddling in a
variety of ways is what we should all underscore and share and act on.
To ironically, or more disappointingly, seriously, suggest getting a folding
kayak as a solution to limited space and access is something we don't need
to take up more time and energy with.
The longtime and new efforts by numerous individuals and organizations is
what should be honored and celebrated and replicated and or transformed
learned from!
Action is the antidote for despair!
On another note if you read this, to see pics of the American journalist
Brad Will who was murdered while covering events in Oaxaca Mexcio launching
to paddle in NYC in 2004 see:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/70051408@N00/285835867/
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> 1. Re: boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC (Mr. Softeee)
> 2. Re: boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC (Kai Mei)
> 3. Re: boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC
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> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:09:09 -0500
> From: "Mr. Softeee" <mr_softeee@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC
> To: jim_bixler@hotmail.com, nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
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> Hey!
>
> Here we go! A voice of reason! Thats why I like you Jim! A problem
> solver!
>
> If you can't store your kayak get a folding boat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's
> called making lemonade out of lemons!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> sCOTT
>
>
>> From: "Jim Bixler" <jim_bixler@hotmail.com>
>> To: nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC
>> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:39:10 -0500
>>
>>
>> Two-words: Folding Boat
>> Keep it behind your couch and you don't have to volunteer at DTBH
>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:46:21 -0500
>>> From: mike pidel <mpidel@optonline.net>
>>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC
>>> To: "'Nancy Brous'" <nbrous@gmail.com>, nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
>>> Message-ID: <00b401c6fd46$c57428a0$0200a8c0@e510>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> The church of the downtown boathouse always brings up these arguments.
>>> There are other churches out there.
>>>
>>> In fact with the current method of boat storage at the DTBH is very
>>> exclusionary to the public, only certain people are allowed to store
>>> their boats there.
>>>
>>> If they truly believed in what is posted, there would be no private
>>> boats in the DTBH. Very few paddlers have the amount of time to set
>>> aside to do the volunteer work that is required.
>>>
>>> In NYC parks there are private restaurants, concessions, softball fields
>>> with a hierarchy of fee's to third party operators.
>>>
>>> 79 th street marina is a subsided large vessel storage facility, the
>>> chelsa piers was sold at below market rate, I believe it was supposed to
>>> have public access to the water.
>>>
>>> They are Dog runs, skateboards parks, private trapeze schools in the
>>> park. The tennis courts at central park have locker rooms with private
>>> storage available. The model boat house in central park has storage for
>>> the private model boats.
>>>
>>> Every free on street parking space is subsided public space. I wouldn't
>>> doubt the 79th street marina has subsided indoor parking for the power
>>> boat owners.
>>>
>>> I am hoping the the pier 66 facility turns out with a storage facility
>>> for the people that just want to paddle.
>>>
>>> My concern was that if the DTBH is denied their original downtown
>>> location, they may try to compete for the pier 66 location.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nyckayaker-bounces@rockandwater.net
>>> [mailto:nyckayaker-bounces@rockandwater.net] On Behalf Of Nancy Brous
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:02 PM
>>> To: nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
>>> Subject: NYCkayaker boathouses on the hudson river in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mike, i assume that you refer to the downtown boathouse in the below
>>> post?
>>>
>>> i would like to provide a little background information which might
>>> broaden your perspective on boathouses on the hudson in NYC.
>>>
>>> hudson river park, the subject of this article, occupies just about 6
>>> miles of the hudson river waterfront in nyc (roughly from the top of
>>> rockefeller park to 59th street). that is hardly the whole of NYC's
>>> hudson waterfront. there is a NYC Parks Department-run human-powered
>>> boating launch and storage facility at 79th street, and a canoe club at
>>> inwood.
>>>
>>> the hudson river park act provided for the construction of 4 new public
>>> boathouses to be built on this public land with public funds at piers
>>> 26, 66, 84, and 96.
>>> right now 2 of the boathouses are complete: piers 96 and 84. (84 is
>>> yet to open for use).
>>>
>>> almost 2 years ago a request for proposals (rfp) was issued for the
>>> operation of the first boathouse to come online, at pier 96. this is an
>>> open and fairly transparent process. i personally posted the
>>> information here and on many other lists around the country, as did many
>>> other members of the park's advisory council, park officials, and
>>> concerned members of the public. anyone was welcome to submit a
>>> proposal.
>>> only the downtown boathouse submitted a proposal for operation of that
>>> facility. they now operate that facility.
>>>
>>> the next boathouse to open will be at 44th street. it will be operated
>>> by Floating the Apple. there was no rfp process for this facility.
>>> this organization was chosen by the hudson river park trust in a closed
>>> process.
>>>
>>> another rfp will be released in the next few weeks for an operator for
>>> the next boathouse to be completed, at pier 66 (26th street). again,
>>> this will be open to anyone who chooses to make a proposal for its
>>> operation.
>>> when that rfp comes out i will post the info here and elsewhere.
>>> the operation of the new pier 26 boathouse was to be determined through
>>> an rfp process as well, but if this article is correct, that process may
>>> now be indefinitely delayed.
>>>
>>> while jim wetteroth's being interviewed for this article may appear to
>>> suggest that he expects his organization to eventually operate that
>>> boathouse, if you read carefully, he is quoted at least in part because
>>> he was at the CB1 waterfront committee meeting. the interviewer's
>>> description of the dtbh programs is actually a bit out of context, in my
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>> as mr. wetteroth has operated a public boating facility in the area for
>>> nearly 20 years, his comments provide useful insight into the current
>>> financial issues facing the new boathouse for any operator, not just the
>>> dtbh program. while the new boathouse at pier 96 is quite nice (running
>>> water and heat in the winter, as mentioned) a facility for seasonal
>>> boating use could certainly function quite well without such "luxuries"
>>> if it meant the difference between a fully appointed facility and no
>>> facility at all.
>>>
>>> there are many individuals and organizations (including but certainly
>>> not limited to the dtbh) throughout this city and general area who work
>>> tirelessly to ensure the future of human-powered boating and free public
>>> water-access for this entire community.
>>> and we are a community, not a series of competing factions out to
>>> monopolize the boathouses and the waterfront.
>>>
>>> i encourage everyone on this list to keep an eye out for the rfp when it
>>> is released, to make proposals for its operation, to use their energies
>>> constructively, and to generally act like the community of people with a
>>> common goal that we are, or should be.
>>>
>>> nancy brous
>>> metropolitan region director
>>> HRWA
>>>
>>>
>>> <<
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Tribeca's boathouse on Hudson Park's chopping block (mike pidel)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:51:13 -0400
>>> From: mike pidel <mpidel@optonline.net>
>>> Subject: NYCkayaker Tribeca's boathouse on Hudson Park's chopping
>>> block
>>> To: nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
>>> Message-ID: <00e101c6faca$6e4596f0$0200a8c0@e510>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why does one organization try and monopolize all the boathouses on the
>>> Hudson?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_181/tribecasboathuseonhudson.html
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:01:47 -0500
> From: Kai Mei <kai@newclear.us>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC
> To: "'Mr. Softeee'" <mr_softeee@hotmail.com>, jim_bixler@hotmail.com,
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> Here's a nice example. http://yostwerks.com/BrianSeaOtter.html
>
> Materials cost is less than $300.
>
> 44 lbs inc. all gear, floatbags, pump, paddle and bag.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nyckayaker-bounces@rockandwater.net
> [mailto:nyckayaker-bounces@rockandwater.net] On Behalf Of Mr. Softeee
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:09 AM
> To: jim_bixler@hotmail.com; nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC
>
> Hey!
>
> Here we go! A voice of reason! Thats why I like you Jim! A problem
> solver!
>
> If you can't store your kayak get a folding boat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's
>
> called making lemonade out of lemons!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> sCOTT
>
>
>> From: "Jim Bixler" <jim_bixler@hotmail.com>
>> To: nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC
>> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:39:10 -0500
>>
>>
>> Two-words: Folding Boat
>> Keep it behind your couch and you don't have to volunteer at DTBH
>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:46:21 -0500
>>> From: mike pidel <mpidel@optonline.net>
>>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC
>>> To: "'Nancy Brous'" <nbrous@gmail.com>, nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
>>> Message-ID: <00b401c6fd46$c57428a0$0200a8c0@e510>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> The church of the downtown boathouse always brings up these arguments.
>>> There are other churches out there.
>>>
>>> In fact with the current method of boat storage at the DTBH is very
>>> exclusionary to the public, only certain people are allowed to store
>>> their boats there.
>>>
>>> If they truly believed in what is posted, there would be no private
>>> boats in the DTBH. Very few paddlers have the amount of time to set
>>> aside to do the volunteer work that is required.
>>>
>>> In NYC parks there are private restaurants, concessions, softball fields
>>> with a hierarchy of fee's to third party operators.
>>>
>>> 79 th street marina is a subsided large vessel storage facility, the
>>> chelsa piers was sold at below market rate, I believe it was supposed to
>>> have public access to the water.
>>>
>>> They are Dog runs, skateboards parks, private trapeze schools in the
>>> park. The tennis courts at central park have locker rooms with private
>>> storage available. The model boat house in central park has storage for
>>> the private model boats.
>>>
>>> Every free on street parking space is subsided public space. I wouldn't
>>> doubt the 79th street marina has subsided indoor parking for the power
>>> boat owners.
>>>
>>> I am hoping the the pier 66 facility turns out with a storage facility
>>> for the people that just want to paddle.
>>>
>>> My concern was that if the DTBH is denied their original downtown
>>> location, they may try to compete for the pier 66 location.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nyckayaker-bounces@rockandwater.net
>>> [mailto:nyckayaker-bounces@rockandwater.net] On Behalf Of Nancy Brous
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:02 PM
>>> To: nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
>>> Subject: NYCkayaker boathouses on the hudson river in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mike, i assume that you refer to the downtown boathouse in the below
>>> post?
>>>
>>> i would like to provide a little background information which might
>>> broaden your perspective on boathouses on the hudson in NYC.
>>>
>>> hudson river park, the subject of this article, occupies just about 6
>>> miles of the hudson river waterfront in nyc (roughly from the top of
>>> rockefeller park to 59th street). that is hardly the whole of NYC's
>>> hudson waterfront. there is a NYC Parks Department-run human-powered
>>> boating launch and storage facility at 79th street, and a canoe club at
>>> inwood.
>>>
>>> the hudson river park act provided for the construction of 4 new public
>>> boathouses to be built on this public land with public funds at piers
>>> 26, 66, 84, and 96.
>>> right now 2 of the boathouses are complete: piers 96 and 84. (84 is
>>> yet to open for use).
>>>
>>> almost 2 years ago a request for proposals (rfp) was issued for the
>>> operation of the first boathouse to come online, at pier 96. this is an
>>> open and fairly transparent process. i personally posted the
>>> information here and on many other lists around the country, as did many
>>> other members of the park's advisory council, park officials, and
>>> concerned members of the public. anyone was welcome to submit a
>>> proposal.
>>> only the downtown boathouse submitted a proposal for operation of that
>>> facility. they now operate that facility.
>>>
>>> the next boathouse to open will be at 44th street. it will be operated
>>> by Floating the Apple. there was no rfp process for this facility.
>>> this organization was chosen by the hudson river park trust in a closed
>>> process.
>>>
>>> another rfp will be released in the next few weeks for an operator for
>>> the next boathouse to be completed, at pier 66 (26th street). again,
>>> this will be open to anyone who chooses to make a proposal for its
>>> operation.
>>> when that rfp comes out i will post the info here and elsewhere.
>>> the operation of the new pier 26 boathouse was to be determined through
>>> an rfp process as well, but if this article is correct, that process may
>>> now be indefinitely delayed.
>>>
>>> while jim wetteroth's being interviewed for this article may appear to
>>> suggest that he expects his organization to eventually operate that
>>> boathouse, if you read carefully, he is quoted at least in part because
>>> he was at the CB1 waterfront committee meeting. the interviewer's
>>> description of the dtbh programs is actually a bit out of context, in my
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>> as mr. wetteroth has operated a public boating facility in the area for
>>> nearly 20 years, his comments provide useful insight into the current
>>> financial issues facing the new boathouse for any operator, not just the
>>> dtbh program. while the new boathouse at pier 96 is quite nice (running
>>> water and heat in the winter, as mentioned) a facility for seasonal
>>> boating use could certainly function quite well without such "luxuries"
>>> if it meant the difference between a fully appointed facility and no
>>> facility at all.
>>>
>>> there are many individuals and organizations (including but certainly
>>> not limited to the dtbh) throughout this city and general area who work
>>> tirelessly to ensure the future of human-powered boating and free public
>>> water-access for this entire community.
>>> and we are a community, not a series of competing factions out to
>>> monopolize the boathouses and the waterfront.
>>>
>>> i encourage everyone on this list to keep an eye out for the rfp when it
>>> is released, to make proposals for its operation, to use their energies
>>> constructively, and to generally act like the community of people with a
>>> common goal that we are, or should be.
>>>
>>> nancy brous
>>> metropolitan region director
>>> HRWA
>>>
>>>
>>> <<
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Tribeca's boathouse on Hudson Park's chopping block (mike pidel)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:51:13 -0400
>>> From: mike pidel <mpidel@optonline.net>
>>> Subject: NYCkayaker Tribeca's boathouse on Hudson Park's chopping
>>> block
>>> To: nyckayaker@rockandwater.net
>>> Message-ID: <00e101c6faca$6e4596f0$0200a8c0@e510>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why does one organization try and monopolize all the boathouses on the
>>> Hudson?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_181/tribecasboathuseonhudson.html
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:13:48 -0500 (EST)
> From: bonnie13@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC
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