NYCkayaker boathouses on the Hudson river in NYC

[sandy sobanski]

"boaters shifted the rip-rap"....      Not.
  I shifted the rip-rap....   for 3 years now.  And I
could probably use some help in April now that you
mention it. 


--- Rob Buchanan <robbuc@aol.com> wrote:

> David, those are all good points, and I can't
> disagree with any of them.
> Certainly we need a multiplicity of put-in options,
> and small, cheap docks
> and floats do make a lot of sense in many hard-edged
> places.
> 
> What I'm saying is that there are also a lot of
> natural put-ins, many of
> them that we don't even notice, and that many more
> can be created with
> minimal effort. One example: the way that hoboken
> boaters shifted the
> rip-rap in frank sinatra park to create a natural
> landing. Another is the
> opportunity that the parks department seems poised
> to miss in manhattan's
> east river park, where the sea-wall is being rebuilt
> with several
> rip-rap-filled 'embayments.' They could likely be
> modified to allow for
> access or at least emergency egress, but apparently
> won't be.
> 
> Two other things I like about launching from the
> foreshore: one, it
> encourages people to see the natural shoreline as
> something worth hanging
> onto, and two, legally speaking, no one owns it--it
> belongs to the public.
> With docks come the questions of ownership,
> maintenance, liability, etc.
> 
> --Rob
> 
>  On 11/3/06 6:56 AM, "David Gottlieb"
> <peekamoose@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> > Rob, we are not talking about docks for the Queen
> Mary or for the Sixth
> > Fleet. I am suggesting small scale put ins --
> whether they are tiny docks,
> > ramps, or beaches. Small docks are not
> environmentally detrimental to the
> > river. I would say that there is much more
> environmental damage created in
> > producing one kayak, with all the effluents from
> chemicals and plastics that
> > are part of the process of making a kayak.
> > 
> > The NYC shore line, in many parts is rip-rap and
> landfill -- not exactly the
> > original environment of the NYC shore line. A few
> minute put-ins here and
> > there will not be deleterious to the environment.
> > 
> > Little docks and ramps cause no environmental
> harm, and will allow access to
> > human=powered boats.
> > 
> > On 11/2/06 2:52 PM, "Rob Buchanan"
> <robbuc@aol.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Docks are expenisve to install and maintain, get
> slippery, and aren't really
> >> a step in the right direction as far as the
> health of the estuary is
> >> concerned. Beaches--natural, restored, or
> accreted--are the way to go. And
> >> there are lots of them:
> www.newyorkharborbeaches.org
> >> 
> >> On 11/2/06 12:04 PM, "David Gottlieb"
> <peekamoose@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> However, to make boating around the boroughs
> safer, the city should install
> >>> docks and/or other types of launch sites for
> boats every few miles, at a
> >>> minimum, in case paddlers need to exit in an
> emergency.....
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>
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