NYCkayaker Randall's Island

Harry J. Bubbins carrotjuice at friendsofbrookpark.org
Fri Oct 20 00:52:26 EDT 2006 

There is yet another opportunity to testify to help preserve Randall's
Island and the shore access and landings that are being eroded by a series
of proposed privatization schemes.

NYCIDA Public Hearing on November 9, 2006
Public Hearings are held at NYCEDC's offices
at 110 William Street, 4th Floor at 10:00 a.m.

Randall's Island Aquatic Leisure, LLC
$215,000,000 in publicly guaranteed bonds are being sought for a water theme
park with fake rivers on a real river that was originally proposed at $45
million.



On 10/19/06 6:32 PM, "nyckayaker-request at rockandwater.net"
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>    3. Re:  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (Mr. Softeee)
>    4. Re:  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (Chaze, Orlova1)
>    5. Re:  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (Joy Hecht)
>    6.  Bullshit? ?? Re:  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (William)
>    7.  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (Richard Clifford)
>    8. Re:  Bullshit? ?? Re:  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (Joy Hecht)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:08:01 -0400
> From: "Chaze, Orlova1" <orlova1.chaze at citigroup.com>
> Subject: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> To: <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
> Cc: "Chaze, Orlova1" <orlova1.chaze at citigroup.com>
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> Interesting stats, Graeme. Pier 96, although difficult to get to, performed
> better than any other location, with a usage (waiver) growth of 800% since
> last season! Also, looks like Pier 40 really pulled in the crowds, for even
> though it operated for less than 40% of the time, the density of use (per
> weekend day, lets say) was more than 52% of Pier 96. By next season, this
> location will probably lead again.
> Any idea of the male:female usage ratio overall?
> Best regards,
> Orlova.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Today's Topics:
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>    1.  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (Graeme Birchall)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:11:49 -0400
> From: "j,duffy1" <j.duffy1 at rcn.com>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> To: "Chaze, Orlova1" <orlova1.chaze at citigroup.com>
> Cc: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
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> Pier 96 was open for less than one month of the 2005 season.  At Pier
> 40, a remarkable percentage of the people who came out onto the Pier
> stopped to try the kayaks, whether they knew we were there or not,
> problem is, not that many people come out that loong, unshaded concrete
> gangplank.  I don't think we have any hard numbers on male:female
> ratios, but subjectively its a lot more female, at this casual level.  I
> think a lot of them fall away when they get a look at the dorky clothing
> involved at the more advanced levels.  There might be a small, but
> viable market for more flattering women's kayaking attire. (uplift PFDs?)
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Chaze, Orlova1 wrote:
> 
>> Interesting stats, Graeme. Pier 96, although difficult to get to, performed
>> better than any other location, with a usage (waiver) growth of 800% since
>> last season! Also, looks like Pier 40 really pulled in the crowds, for even
>> though it operated for less than 40% of the time, the density of use (per
>> weekend day, lets say) was more than 52% of Pier 96. By next season, this
>> location will probably lead again.
>> Any idea of the male:female usage ratio overall?
>> Best regards,
>> Orlova.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net
>> [mailto:nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net]On Behalf Of
>> nyckayaker-request at rockandwater.net
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>> To: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
>> Subject: NYCKayaker Digest, Vol 14, Issue 17
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1.  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (Graeme Birchall)
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:36:08 -0400
> From: "Mr. Softeee" <mr_softeee at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> To: j.duffy1 at rcn.com, orlova1.chaze at citigroup.com
> Cc: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
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> Hey!
> 
>       Maybe a clingy, wet T-shirt type of PFD could work! Just a thought!
> 
> sCOTT
> 
> 
>> From: "j,duffy1" <j.duffy1 at rcn.com>
>> To: "Chaze, Orlova1" <orlova1.chaze at citigroup.com>
>> CC: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
>> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:11:49 -0400
>> 
>> Pier 96 was open for less than one month of the 2005 season.  At Pier
>> 40, a remarkable percentage of the people who came out onto the Pier
>> stopped to try the kayaks, whether they knew we were there or not,
>> problem is, not that many people come out that loong, unshaded concrete
>> gangplank.  I don't think we have any hard numbers on male:female
>> ratios, but subjectively its a lot more female, at this casual level.  I
>> think a lot of them fall away when they get a look at the dorky clothing
>> involved at the more advanced levels.  There might be a small, but
>> viable market for more flattering women's kayaking attire. (uplift PFDs?)
>> 
>> Jim,
>> 
>> Chaze, Orlova1 wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting stats, Graeme. Pier 96, although difficult to get to,
>> performed better than any other location, with a usage (waiver) growth of
>> 800% since last season! Also, looks like Pier 40 really pulled in the
>> crowds, for even though it operated for less than 40% of the time, the
>> density of use (per weekend day, lets say) was more than 52% of Pier 96. By
>> next season, this location will probably lead again.
>>> Any idea of the male:female usage ratio overall?
>>> Best regards,
>>> Orlova.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net
>>> [mailto:nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net]On Behalf Of
>>> nyckayaker-request at rockandwater.net
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>>> To: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>   1.  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (Graeme Birchall)
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:15:21 -0400
> From: "Chaze, Orlova1" <orlova1.chaze at citigroup.com>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> To: "j,duffy1" <j.duffy1 at rcn.com>
> Cc: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
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> Indeed, indeed! Been thinking along those lines myself. Those dry suits are
> depressingly unflattering. Don't know about viable but a tiny niche exists.
> Maybe, when I tire of juggling capital for institutions, might dip into this
> business...
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: j,duffy1 [mailto:j.duffy1 at rcn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:12 PM
> To: Chaze, Orlova1
> Cc: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> 
> 
> Pier 96 was open for less than one month of the 2005 season.  At Pier
> 40, a remarkable percentage of the people who came out onto the Pier
> stopped to try the kayaks, whether they knew we were there or not,
> problem is, not that many people come out that loong, unshaded concrete
> gangplank.  I don't think we have any hard numbers on male:female
> ratios, but subjectively its a lot more female, at this casual level.  I
> think a lot of them fall away when they get a look at the dorky clothing
> involved at the more advanced levels.  There might be a small, but
> viable market for more flattering women's kayaking attire. (uplift PFDs?)
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Chaze, Orlova1 wrote:
> 
>> Interesting stats, Graeme. Pier 96, although difficult to get to, performed
>> better than any other location, with a usage (waiver) growth of 800% since
>> last season! Also, looks like Pier 40 really pulled in the crowds, for even
>> though it operated for less than 40% of the time, the density of use (per
>> weekend day, lets say) was more than 52% of Pier 96. By next season, this
>> location will probably lead again.
>> Any idea of the male:female usage ratio overall?
>> Best regards,
>> Orlova.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net
>> [mailto:nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net]On Behalf Of
>> nyckayaker-request at rockandwater.net
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:00 PM
>> To: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
>> Subject: NYCKayaker Digest, Vol 14, Issue 17
>> 
>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>   1.  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006 (Graeme Birchall)
>> 
>> 
>> **********************************************************************
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:23:05 -0400
> From: "Joy Hecht" <jhecht at alum.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> To: <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
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> 
> :::-----Original Message-----
> :::From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net [mailto:nyckayaker-
> :::bounces at rockandwater.net] On Behalf Of j,duffy1
> :::Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:12 PM
> :::To: Chaze, Orlova1
> :::Cc: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
> :::Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> :::
> :::Pier 96 was open for less than one month of the 2005 season.  At Pier
> :::40, a remarkable percentage of the people who came out onto the Pier
> :::stopped to try the kayaks, whether they knew we were there or not,
> :::problem is, not that many people come out that loong, unshaded concrete
> :::gangplank.  I don't think we have any hard numbers on male:female
> :::ratios, but subjectively its a lot more female, at this casual level.  I
> :::think a lot of them fall away when they get a look at the dorky clothing
> :::involved at the more advanced levels.  There might be a small, but
> :::viable market for more flattering women's kayaking attire. (uplift PFDs?)
> 
> What kind of bullshit is this?  Get a life, guys.
> 
> And maybe take a look at how many guys are weirded out by wearing _skirts_!
> 
> 
> 
> Joy
> 
> 
> 
> ****************************************************************
> Joy Hecht
> now living in a real house in northern Virginia
> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
> now living in the driveway and resting after two and a half years
> lugging Joy and her stuff around...
>  
> For musings about life and the vanadventures:
> http://www.joyhecht.net
>  
> ****************************************************************
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: William <haawill at yahoo.com>
> Subject: NYCkayaker Bullshit? ?? Re:  Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> To: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net, jhecht at alum.mit.edu
> Message-ID: <20061020005851.86567.qmail at web51813.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> LOL  Hey Joy, this IS the male life ... a woman of
> your advanced years should know this by now!
> WIll 
> PS .. Never met you but hey! take the positive in my
> "advanced" years comment  ....
> 
> --- Joy Hecht <jhecht at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> :::-----Original Message-----
>> :::From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net
>> [mailto:nyckayaker-
>> :::bounces at rockandwater.net] On Behalf Of j,duffy1
>> :::Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:12 PM
>> :::To: Chaze, Orlova1
>> :::Cc: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
>> :::Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage
>> 2006
>> :::
>> :::Pier 96 was open for less than one month of the
>> 2005 season.  At Pier
>> :::40, a remarkable percentage of the people who
>> came out onto the Pier
>> :::stopped to try the kayaks, whether they knew we
>> were there or not,
>> :::problem is, not that many people come out that
>> loong, unshaded concrete
>> :::gangplank.  I don't think we have any hard
>> numbers on male:female
>> :::ratios, but subjectively its a lot more female,
>> at this casual level.  I
>> :::think a lot of them fall away when they get a
>> look at the dorky clothing
>> :::involved at the more advanced levels.  There
>> might be a small, but
>> :::viable market for more flattering women's
>> kayaking attire. (uplift PFDs?)
>> 
>> What kind of bullshit is this?  Get a life, guys.
>> 
>> And maybe take a look at how many guys are weirded
>> out by wearing _skirts_!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> ****************************************************************
>> Joy Hecht
>> now living in a real house in northern Virginia
>> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
>> now living in the driveway and resting after two and
>> a half years 
>> lugging Joy and her stuff around...
>>  
>> For musings about life and the vanadventures:
>> http://www.joyhecht.net
>>  
>> 
> ****************************************************************
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:10:00 -0400
> From: Richard Clifford <RichardClifford at earthlink.net>
> Subject: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> To: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
> Message-ID: <453821E8.3090006 at earthlink.net>
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> NYCKayaker:
> If Joy started a "sex and the  kayaker" thread (... in response to a
> statistics report. Go figure how that happened?) then I might be amused and
> curious. .... men in spray skirts, wet entries, etc.. .
> 
> But, no, the exchange looks like an ill-considered, spiraling, and pointless
> banging back-and-forth. You want something to do? Get in our dry suit and go
> paddle. My sentiments. Richard Clifford
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:31:23 -0400
> From: "Joy Hecht" <jhecht at alum.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Bullshit? ?? Re:  Downtown Boathouse usage
> 2006
> To: <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
> Message-ID: <5c1si1$8r02hg at smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> We-e-e-ll, I dunno.  If with your advanced years, this _IS_ the male life,
> that's pretty pathetic.  So maybe it's time you did some overhauling of your
> life so you can find something better to think about.
> 
> However you will be happy to know that I actually used to paddle with a
> couple of women who looked quite fine in drysuits.  (not me, I may add!
> :-)  They kind of looked like those women in star wars movies in their
> jumpsuit-like outfits.  (Bad description, I'm not exactly into star wars
> movies!)  If they'd shown up with laser guns it would have fit right in.
> 
> The rest of us, however, male and female, looked like the Michelin tire man!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joy
> 
> 
> ****************************************************************
> Joy Hecht
> now living in a real house in northern Virginia
> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
> now living in the driveway and resting after two and a half years
> lugging Joy and her stuff around...
>  
> For musings about life and the vanadventures:
> http://www.joyhecht.net
>  
> ****************************************************************
>  
> 
> :::-----Original Message-----
> :::From: William [mailto:haawill at yahoo.com]
> :::Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:59 PM
> :::To: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net; jhecht at alum.mit.edu
> :::Subject: Bullshit? ?? Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage 2006
> :::
> :::LOL  Hey Joy, this IS the male life ... a woman of
> :::your advanced years should know this by now!
> :::WIll
> :::PS .. Never met you but hey! take the positive in my
> :::"advanced" years comment  ....
> :::
> :::--- Joy Hecht <jhecht at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> :::
> :::>
> :::> :::-----Original Message-----
> :::> :::From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net
> :::> [mailto:nyckayaker-
> :::> :::bounces at rockandwater.net] On Behalf Of j,duffy1
> :::> :::Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:12 PM
> :::> :::To: Chaze, Orlova1
> :::> :::Cc: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
> :::> :::Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Downtown Boathouse usage
> :::> 2006
> :::> :::
> :::> :::Pier 96 was open for less than one month of the
> :::> 2005 season.  At Pier
> :::> :::40, a remarkable percentage of the people who
> :::> came out onto the Pier
> :::> :::stopped to try the kayaks, whether they knew we
> :::> were there or not,
> :::> :::problem is, not that many people come out that
> :::> loong, unshaded concrete
> :::> :::gangplank.  I don't think we have any hard
> :::> numbers on male:female
> :::> :::ratios, but subjectively its a lot more female,
> :::> at this casual level.  I
> :::> :::think a lot of them fall away when they get a
> :::> look at the dorky clothing
> :::> :::involved at the more advanced levels.  There
> :::> might be a small, but
> :::> :::viable market for more flattering women's
> :::> kayaking attire. (uplift PFDs?)
> :::>
> :::> What kind of bullshit is this?  Get a life, guys.
> :::>
> :::> And maybe take a look at how many guys are weirded
> :::> out by wearing _skirts_!
> :::>
> :::>
> :::>
> :::> Joy
> :::>
> 
> 
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