NYCkayaker Meeting re boathouse at Pier 26 tonight?

[mike]

I don't consider bathrooms extra's, I am sure there are many other
people that feel that way too. Showers are probably very inexpensive to
install when part of the original design. It has to have a nice design,
Quonset huts aren't going to be allowed in the Hudson river park.
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net [mailto:nyckayaker-
>>bounces at rockandwater.net] On Behalf Of Rob Buchanan
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:12 AM
>>To: bonnie13 at earthlink.net; j,duffy1
>>Cc: pier63holdtrips; nykayak; greenland list
>>Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Meeting re boathouse at Pier 26 tonight?
>>
>>I agree that a lot of sense was made at last night's meeting. But I'm
>>wondering if any of it will matter. That announcement at the outset
that
>>the
>>hrp trust had construction drawings for the boathouse that were
'virtually
>>100 percent complete' and would be putting them out to bid in april
would
>>seem to pre-empt any real community input. That said, here's my two
cents,
>>in case the trust turns out to be bluffing, or eliot spitzer comes in
and
>>gives connie fishman a stern talking-to about NOT building another
white
>>elephant.
>>
>>
>>1) let's cut all the extras, on the theory that the less money is
wasted
>>on
>>frills, the more can be spent on raw space. So, no fabulous soaring
>>rooflines or jungle gym aluminum superstructures. No showers, no
central
>>heating, no insulation, no bathrooms even (as jim wetteroth pointed
out,
>>toilets never really work on piers).
>>
>>2) let's make sure the space is flexible enough to accommodate not
only
>>kayaks, but also rowing gigs and even six-man outrigger canoes. I know
>>that
>>the downtown boathouse is envisioned as the tenant here, and that
means
>>mostly kayaks, but as recreational boating on the harbor grows, the
>>community's needs and interests will surely diversify. Bmcc, which is
>>right
>>next door, has a rowing program on pier 40 now, but what happens when
that
>>gets rebuilt? Will downtowners wanting to row or paddle together
really
>>trek
>>all the way up to midtown to get on the water? Anyway, designwise it's
not
>>a
>>big deal--it just means bigger doors and good high ceilings--at least
12
>>feet, so that oars can be stood on end (something the architects of
the
>>MIT
>>boathouse in Boston famously forgot)--and a davit or two.
>>
>>3) let's not let them put a lock on the gate or door at the head of
the
>>ramp
>>that runs down to the dock. There can be plenty of fierce signage, but
for
>>me, at least, more important than the boathouse itself is the idea of
open
>>access. Without that, we're just rats fenced into a cage, pathetic
little
>>minions who need to go begging permission from their minders in order
to
>>enjoy a day on the water. In the long run, that can't be good for the
>>community, especially one with such a proud nautical heritage.
>>
>>4) let's insist on a couple of big barn doors on the south side of the
>>building, even though boats will be launched to the west. There's
nothing
>>nicer than hanging out in a sunny, protected spot on a blustery winter
day
>>when the wind is out of the northwest.
>>
>>
>>On 1/23/07 9:53 AM, "bonnie13 at earthlink.net" <bonnie13 at earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> And it was DEFINITELY interested. Pier 26 is not somewhere I
personally
>>EVER
>>> would have expected to store a boat but I was depressed just on
general
>>> principal when I read that Downtown Express article about the Trust
>>cutting
>>> the Tribeca boathouse because they didn't have the budget - when
it's so
>>> freaking obvious that the boathouses they ARE building are just
plain
>>over-
>>> (and mis-) designed & for the cost of the 2 they've already built,
they
>>could
>>> probably have afforded at least 3 simpler boathouses that actually
would
>>have
>>> worked better. Bleah.
>>>
>>> So nice to hear sense being spoken at that meeting last night.
>>>
>>> too many deadlines today I did a bit of a writeup on my blog -
>>> www.frogma.blogspot.com -  it's not great 'cause I did it too fast
after
>>I got
>>> home last night, but I think it gives the general sense (attendees
are
>>MORE
>>> than welcome to send me any corrections or clarifications).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "j,duffy1" <j.duffy1 at rcn.com>
>>>> Sent: Jan 22, 2007 5:53 PM
>>>> To: bonnie13 at earthlink.net
>>>> Cc: nyckayaker <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>, pier63holdtrips
>>>> <pier63holdtrips at yahoogroups.com>, greenland list
>>>> <greenland-list at brooklynkayak.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Meeting re boathouse at Pier 26 tonight?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, Bonnie.  This meeting was set last week at the first
Pier
>>>> 25-26 subgroup meeting, and most of the usual suspects were there.
I
>>>> should have posted it to the list, but I forgot.  It should be
>>interesting.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Wetteroth,
>>>>
>>>> bonnie13 at earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, can't remember if anybody else announced this already but
>>there's a
>>>>> meeting that might be of interest tonight - I don't know if I can
make
>>it,
>>>>> if I do it's out of curiousity & I only intend to listen - but I
>>suddenly
>>>>> realized I hadn't done a thing to pass the word.  It's on their
public
>>>>> notice section at www.cb1.org . I have no more details than this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Waterfront Committee
>>>>> DATE:  Monday, January 22, 2007
>>>>> TIME:  6:00 PM
>>>>> PLACE:  Community Board #1 Office
>>>>> 49-51 Chambers Street, Room 709
>>>>>
>>>>> Agenda
>>>>> 1)  East River Waterfront - Preview on upcoming ULURP action -
>>Presentation
>>>>> by EDC
>>>>> 2) Strategic planning needs assessment discussion lead by Michael
>>Levine,
>>>>> Director of Planning and Land Use of CB #1
>>>>>
>>>>> Pier 26 - Boat House -7:30 PM
>>>>> 1) Subgroup working session
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry again about the late notice and/or duplication. Since I've
>>disengaged
>>>>> from the Hudson River scene & gone to Jamaica Bay I'm a little out
of
>>the
>>>>> loop.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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