NYCkayaker Meeting re boathouse at Pier 26 tonight?
j,duffy1
j.duffy1 at rcn.com
Wed Jan 24 13:12:28 EST 2007
The Pier 96 Boathouse is a big corrugated tin box. Right now, the
elaborate roof, and fancy doors obscure that fact, but in a few years,
normal corrosion will make it its overwhelming characteristic.
Jim,
Rob Buchanan wrote:
>I should have clarified jim's remark about bathrooms--what he was saying was
>that it made more sense to locate them nearby, in the upland section of the
>park where they could be connected directly to the sewer, rather than on the
>pier where everything had to be pumped out sideways and uphill. It seems
>there's a restroom building planned at that location anyway, like the ones
>further north in the park, so it'd just be a matter of walking across the
>promenade to use them.
>
>Quonset huts, probably not. But a big corrugated tin box can be elegant in
>its own way...
>
>
>On 1/24/07 11:31 AM, "mike" <mpidel at optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I don't consider bathrooms extra's, I am sure there are many other
>>people that feel that way too. Showers are probably very inexpensive to
>>install when part of the original design. It has to have a nice design,
>>Quonset huts aren't going to be allowed in the Hudson river park.
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net [mailto:nyckayaker-
>>>>bounces at rockandwater.net] On Behalf Of Rob Buchanan
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:12 AM
>>>>To: bonnie13 at earthlink.net; j,duffy1
>>>>Cc: pier63holdtrips; nykayak; greenland list
>>>>Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Meeting re boathouse at Pier 26 tonight?
>>>>
>>>>I agree that a lot of sense was made at last night's meeting. But I'm
>>>>wondering if any of it will matter. That announcement at the outset
>>>>
>>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>>>the
>>>>hrp trust had construction drawings for the boathouse that were
>>>>
>>>>
>>'virtually
>>
>>
>>>>100 percent complete' and would be putting them out to bid in april
>>>>
>>>>
>>would
>>
>>
>>>>seem to pre-empt any real community input. That said, here's my two
>>>>
>>>>
>>cents,
>>
>>
>>>>in case the trust turns out to be bluffing, or eliot spitzer comes in
>>>>
>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>gives connie fishman a stern talking-to about NOT building another
>>>>
>>>>
>>white
>>
>>
>>>>elephant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1) let's cut all the extras, on the theory that the less money is
>>>>
>>>>
>>wasted
>>
>>
>>>>on
>>>>frills, the more can be spent on raw space. So, no fabulous soaring
>>>>rooflines or jungle gym aluminum superstructures. No showers, no
>>>>
>>>>
>>central
>>
>>
>>>>heating, no insulation, no bathrooms even (as jim wetteroth pointed
>>>>
>>>>
>>out,
>>
>>
>>>>toilets never really work on piers).
>>>>
>>>>2) let's make sure the space is flexible enough to accommodate not
>>>>
>>>>
>>only
>>
>>
>>>>kayaks, but also rowing gigs and even six-man outrigger canoes. I know
>>>>that
>>>>the downtown boathouse is envisioned as the tenant here, and that
>>>>
>>>>
>>means
>>
>>
>>>>mostly kayaks, but as recreational boating on the harbor grows, the
>>>>community's needs and interests will surely diversify. Bmcc, which is
>>>>right
>>>>next door, has a rowing program on pier 40 now, but what happens when
>>>>
>>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>>>gets rebuilt? Will downtowners wanting to row or paddle together
>>>>
>>>>
>>really
>>
>>
>>>>trek
>>>>all the way up to midtown to get on the water? Anyway, designwise it's
>>>>
>>>>
>>not
>>
>>
>>>>a
>>>>big deal--it just means bigger doors and good high ceilings--at least
>>>>
>>>>
>>12
>>
>>
>>>>feet, so that oars can be stood on end (something the architects of
>>>>
>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>>MIT
>>>>boathouse in Boston famously forgot)--and a davit or two.
>>>>
>>>>3) let's not let them put a lock on the gate or door at the head of
>>>>
>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>>ramp
>>>>that runs down to the dock. There can be plenty of fierce signage, but
>>>>
>>>>
>>for
>>
>>
>>>>me, at least, more important than the boathouse itself is the idea of
>>>>
>>>>
>>open
>>
>>
>>>>access. Without that, we're just rats fenced into a cage, pathetic
>>>>
>>>>
>>little
>>
>>
>>>>minions who need to go begging permission from their minders in order
>>>>
>>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>>enjoy a day on the water. In the long run, that can't be good for the
>>>>community, especially one with such a proud nautical heritage.
>>>>
>>>>4) let's insist on a couple of big barn doors on the south side of the
>>>>building, even though boats will be launched to the west. There's
>>>>
>>>>
>>nothing
>>
>>
>>>>nicer than hanging out in a sunny, protected spot on a blustery winter
>>>>
>>>>
>>day
>>
>>
>>>>when the wind is out of the northwest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 1/23/07 9:53 AM, "bonnie13 at earthlink.net" <bonnie13 at earthlink.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>And it was DEFINITELY interested. Pier 26 is not somewhere I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>personally
>>
>>
>>>>EVER
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>would have expected to store a boat but I was depressed just on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>general
>>
>>
>>>>>principal when I read that Downtown Express article about the Trust
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>cutting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the Tribeca boathouse because they didn't have the budget - when
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>it's so
>>
>>
>>>>>freaking obvious that the boathouses they ARE building are just
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>plain
>>
>>
>>>>over-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>(and mis-) designed & for the cost of the 2 they've already built,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>they
>>
>>
>>>>could
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>probably have afforded at least 3 simpler boathouses that actually
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>would
>>
>>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>worked better. Bleah.
>>>>>
>>>>>So nice to hear sense being spoken at that meeting last night.
>>>>>
>>>>>too many deadlines today I did a bit of a writeup on my blog -
>>>>>www.frogma.blogspot.com - it's not great 'cause I did it too fast
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>after
>>
>>
>>>>I got
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>home last night, but I think it gives the general sense (attendees
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>>MORE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>than welcome to send me any corrections or clarifications).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "j,duffy1" <j.duffy1 at rcn.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Jan 22, 2007 5:53 PM
>>>>>>To: bonnie13 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>Cc: nyckayaker <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>, pier63holdtrips
>>>>>><pier63holdtrips at yahoogroups.com>, greenland list
>>>>>><greenland-list at brooklynkayak.com>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Meeting re boathouse at Pier 26 tonight?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you, Bonnie. This meeting was set last week at the first
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>Pier
>>
>>
>>>>>>25-26 subgroup meeting, and most of the usual suspects were there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>>>>>should have posted it to the list, but I forgot. It should be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Jim Wetteroth,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>bonnie13 at earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry, can't remember if anybody else announced this already but
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>there's a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>meeting that might be of interest tonight - I don't know if I can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>make
>>
>>
>>>>it,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>if I do it's out of curiousity & I only intend to listen - but I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>suddenly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>realized I hadn't done a thing to pass the word. It's on their
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>public
>>
>>
>>>>>>>notice section at www.cb1.org . I have no more details than this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Waterfront Committee
>>>>>>>DATE: Monday, January 22, 2007
>>>>>>>TIME: 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>PLACE: Community Board #1 Office
>>>>>>>49-51 Chambers Street, Room 709
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Agenda
>>>>>>>1) East River Waterfront - Preview on upcoming ULURP action -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>Presentation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>by EDC
>>>>>>>2) Strategic planning needs assessment discussion lead by Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>Levine,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Director of Planning and Land Use of CB #1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pier 26 - Boat House -7:30 PM
>>>>>>>1) Subgroup working session
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry again about the late notice and/or duplication. Since I've
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>disengaged
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>from the Hudson River scene & gone to Jamaica Bay I'm a little out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>loop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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