NYCkayaker Kayaking Death In Maine
David Gottlieb
peekamoose at optonline.net
Fri Jun 8 20:47:31 EDT 2007
Lee,
I was just answering Mike. I got the point. I can't speak for Mike. No
radio, no contingency plans, no dry suit, no emergency equipment. What a
tragedy. You are correct. That is why it is imperative to go out prepared --
and these guys were in frigid ocean water.....
David
On 6/8/07 8:25 PM, "Lee Reiser/Leona Fontaine" <lee060 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Mike and David,
> I think you guys are missing the point here. These guys were ill prepared
> with no drysuits and no radio or phone. They went out thinking that conditions
> were fine and not apt to change (which they can in a flash). When hypothermia
> sets in you can't hold onto anything as you slip into unconciousness, then you
> drown. The power of huge waves can snap anything as if it were a twig. It
> probably broke after he expired, but who's to know what really transpired.
> Lee
>
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>> 1. Summer Enchanted Evening Concert Series-At Hoboken Kayak
>> Launch (sandy sobanski)
>> 2. Kayaking Death In Maine (Lee Reiser/Leona Fontaine)
>> 3. Re: Kayaking Death In Maine (mike)
>> 4. Re: Kayaking Death In Maine (David Gottlieb)
>> 5. Re: Kayaking Death In Maine (mike)
>> 6. Re: Parrot Paddle Sat May 9 at 10 AM from Tubby Hook
>> (Inwood)(REPOSTED AND CHANGED) (Robert Anderson)
>> 7. Watertrail Guide Question.... (sandy sobanski)
>> 8. Gov isle pics? (Harry J. Bubbins)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: sandy sobanski <dragonsandy1 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: NYCkayaker Summer Enchanted Evening Concert Series-At Hoboken
>> Kayak Launch
>> To: "nyckayaker post things...." <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
>> Message-ID: <239512.53921.qm at web56113.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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>> Hi folks...The Hoboken kayak launch is all set again after a rough winter
>> kind of ruining the spot.... but it's all better now. And....
>> There are these great concerts all summer in Hoboken at Frank Sinatra Park at
>> the kayak launch. They are 7-9pm Monday and Thursday evenings.
>> Go to www.hoboken411.com and scroll down to "Summer Enchanted Evenings
>> Concert Series". or you can find it on www.hobokeni.com
>> Also--there are these 3 pretty cool restaurants right by the launch site.Each
>> has outdoor tables....(The Frank Sinatra Cafe is closed, but these other
>> places are just south of the kayak launch and pretty good.) Make a night of
>> it!
>> The restaurants... Quays Restaurant, Trinity Restaurant, and 45
>> Restaurant....
>> (Now don't go putting that in your watertrail guide with a magic
>> marker....We're watching...Remember now-it's NJ... All this Jersey
>> waterfront stuff postings--kind of makes me want to make a trailer park NJ
>> version!)
>> Also the Hoboken Cove Community Boathouse dates and times are on those
>> websites too. And check our website of course for the new Hoboken and Jersey
>> City Reservoir dates. Our first program at Frank Sinatra Park is this Sunday
>> June10th. 11am-4pm. Come paddle around....
>> www.hobokencoveboathouse.org
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:31:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>> From: Lee Reiser/Leona Fontaine <lee060 at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: NYCkayaker Kayaking Death In Maine
>> To: NYCkayaker at rockandwater.net
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>> Dear Members,
>> I saw this on the CPAkayaker listserve.
>> For anyone planning to paddle in cold water without proper gear, ie.
>> wet/drysuit. vhf & cell phone, Just don't do it. Read this heart wrenching
>> story. First link is the accident description. Second link is a letter from
>> the survivor about his best friend, the victim.
>> I would feel guilty by not tellig some one they were ill prepared if the
>> outcome was to be this or anything less.
>> Lee Reiser
>>
>> As with any story like this, it's easy to make judgments and second guess.
>> However this particular story was a bit close to home; the survivor in this
>> case is a friend of a friend. Read Brandon's letter for the first person
>> perspective of what happened.
>>
>> A sea kayaker recalls his futile effort to rescue a friend from frigid
>> waters:
>> http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=106049
>>
>> A letter from Brandon Andrusic:
>> http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=106073
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:52:52 -0400
>> From: mike <mpidel at optonline.net>
>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Kayaking Death In Maine
>> To: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
>> Message-ID: <029401c7a96f$ba801a50$0202fea9 at e510>
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>> I would like to know the name of that paddle leash, and how and where it
>> broke.
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:42:29 -0400
>> From: David Gottlieb <peekamoose at optonline.net>
>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Kayaking Death In Maine
>> To: mike <mpidel at optonline.net>, nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
>> Message-ID: <C28E5675.1A44%peekamoose at optonline.net>
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>> I think the article said that one half of the paddle broke, not the paddle
>> leash.
>>
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>> On 6/7/07 9:52 PM, "mike" <mpidel at optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to know the name of that paddle leash, and how and where it
>>> broke.
>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:05:26 -0400
>> From: mike <mpidel at optonline.net>
>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Kayaking Death In Maine
>> To: "'David Gottlieb'" <peekamoose at optonline.net>,
>> nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
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>> "I spent the whole day with the rescue team trying to help with the
>> search. They found his boat first, about eight miles from where we got
>> into trouble. He had a paddle leash, so part of the paddle had stayed
>> attached to his boat but the other part had broken away."
>> Hmmm , maybe the paddle shaft broke? The paddle leash is a life line
>> in this type of situation, if you can stay with the boat , your changes
>> are better, especially if you had a cell phone of flares or other
>> rescue gear in the boat . wonder what kind of paddle it was ? what
>> part of the life line broke
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: David Gottlieb [mailto:peekamoose at optonline.net]
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:42 AM
>>>> To: mike; nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
>>>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Kayaking Death In Maine
>>>>
>>>> I think the article said that one half of the paddle broke, not the
>> paddle
>>>> leash.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/7/07 9:52 PM, "mike" <mpidel at optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would like to know the name of that paddle leash, and how and
>> where it
>>>>> broke.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:27:58 -0400
>> From: "Robert Anderson" <r_m_anderson at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Parrot Paddle Sat May 9 at 10 AM from Tubby Hook
>> (Inwood)(REPOSTED AND CHANGED)
>> To: GerryChem at aol.com, YPRC at listserv.adelphi.edu,
>> nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
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>> Hi,
>> Does anyone want to do this paddle but start at the Yonkers clubhouse for a
>> longer paddle ?
>> Bob A.
>>
>>> From: GerryChem at aol.com
>>> To: YPRC at listserv.adelphi.edu, nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
>>> Subject: NYCkayaker Parrot Paddle Sat May 9 at 10 AM from Tubby Hook
>>> (Inwood)(REPOSTED AND CHANGED)
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:41:14 EDT
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> There are Parrots at the Edgewater Marina. !!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> Check it out on the website _www.edgewaterparrots.com_
>>> (http://www.edgewaterparrots.com/)
>>>
>>> I plan to paddle from Tubby Hook or Inwood next Saturday June 9 with YPRC
>>> member Alison Evans-Fragale and her husband Mark.
>>>
>>> Ali,as her friends call her, is also the founder of the Save the Edgewater
>>> Parrot Foundation. Once we arrive at Edgewater, Ali will give us a walking
>>> tour
>>> and call forth the birds.
>>>
>>> Ali, Mark and I will meet at the Inwood Canoe Club boathouse. Dr. Antonio
>>> Burr, ICC Commodore, has graciously given us permission to launch from
>>> their
>>> dock. By the way this club dates from 1902.
>>>
>>>
>>> Inwood is at the northern end of Manhattan. Drive there by taking the
>>> Henry
>>> Hudson Parkway to exit 17 and proceeding west on Dyckman St for one or two
>>> blocks to the end. Or take the #A subway to Broadway and Dyckman and walk
>>> west
>>> on Dyckman five blocks to the Hudson River.
>>>
>>> We'll meet at 9:30AM and launch at 10AM. We will paddle into the ebb. If
>>> we
>>> arrive at Edgewater by 12, we'll be fine since the current turns to flood
>>> at
>>> Edgewater at 1 PM.
>>>
>>>
>>> After our guided walking tour and quality time with the parrots, we'll stop
>>> at a restaurant at the Edgewater Marina for lunch.
>>>
>>> I'll bring a camera
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We'll start back around 2:30PM on the flood and should be back at the ICC
>>> dock around 4 or 4:30PM.
>>>
>>> The paddle will be about four or five miles each way.
>>>
>>> If you would like to join us, let me know by back channel e-mail or by cell
>>> phone.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>> cell 914 318 4630
>>> boat:Current Design Storm
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: sandy sobanski <dragonsandy1 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: NYCkayaker Watertrail Guide Question....
>> To: "nyckayaker post things...." <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
>> Message-ID: <498645.6431.qm at web56113.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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>> So- I just have a question for the guys involved with NY watertrail guide...I
>> know it's NY so that makes sense...But-Do you guys think it's a good idea to
>> -not --inform kayakers- (especially ones that are not familiar with the
>> area)-that if they skip across river-in about 10- 15 minutes they can land,
>> rest, eat, pee at alot of spots.....? When I'm paddling-I go by what's easy
>> to land or launch at... or what's entertaining coming up next...
>> Maybe a very very small footnote here and there for stuff nearby would be
>> helpful. Especially things so dramatically close to NY.
>> Believe me....I'm used to Jersey being ignored or dissed...And sadly--I
>> almost enjoy it in some perverse way... But I kind of don't get it this one
>> as a kayaker guide in this paddling zone...
>> Sandy
>>
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>> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:30:19 -0400
>> From: "Harry J. Bubbins" <carrotjuice at friendsofbrookpark.org>
>> Subject: NYCkayaker Gov isle pics?
>> To: "nyckayaker at rockandwater.net" <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
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>> Of the trip from dtown boathouse to bless the floating dock so diligently
>> installed?
>> Thx!
>>
>>
>> Harry J. Bubbins
>> Director
>> 646.206.5288
>> http://friendsofbrookpark.org
>> Mail: PO Box 801, The South Bronx, NY 10454
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