NYCkayaker safety in HRP
Chalu Kim
chalu at egenius.com
Fri Oct 12 15:42:01 EDT 2007
This one keeps most tourists away.....
Welcome to European ways of saying "Darwin knows it best. Meet your
maker at your peril."
http://picasaweb.google.com/chalu.kim/FinhautSwiss/photo#5114312419555857010
I am an experienced backcountry skier and it kept away three seasons
before I learned about local terrain.
Hi Bonnie13,,, Bonnie!!!!
bonnie13 at earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Safety signs used in Hawaii. And I do mean used. You see them all the
> time and you pay attention to them - they are never kidding.
>
> http://www.aloha.com/~lifeguards/bsigns.html
> <http://www.aloha.com/%7Elifeguards/bsigns.html>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Brous
> Sent: Oct 12, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: nyckayaker**
> Subject: NYCkayaker safety in HRP
>
> all good suggestions.
>
> i want to add another element to the discussion: safety signage.
> it seems that many people who have jumped into the river for
> various reasons (to retrieve various articles or in one case a
> dog) are not aware of the fact that the Hudson in this area is a
> tidal estuary and that the currents not only move fast but change
> directions. they are also likely not aware of just how cold the
> water gets (and stays later into the warm air season than one
> might guess) and how fast a person can become hypothermic.
>
> do you folks think safety signage is a good idea? do you think
> people would notice / read / benefit from such signs?
>
> we are pushing for safety signage at access points (mooring
> fields, public launches, and future marinas) with more extensive
> practical info (suggestions for this are welcome), but i wonder if
> signs along the esplanade would be worth investigating. i've
> never seen them in other cities. theoretically they could be part
> of the estuarine sanctuary management education program and have a
> little other info on the river (eg where it starts, a bit of
> history, etc) and be interpretive / aesthetically pleasing somehow.
>
> but again, it may be a waste of space, time, and $ if they wont help.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> also, if anyone has photos of water safety methods used in other
> cities, we are putting together a power-point presentation to show
> to HRP, so please send them to me back channel, or if you can mail
> them please contact me back channel and i'll give you the physical
> address.
>
> thanks.
> nb
>
>
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:31:09 -0400
> From: mike <mpidel at optonline.net <mailto:mpidel at optonline.net>>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker safety in HRP
> To: "'nyckayaker**'" < nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
> <mailto:nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>>
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>
> I think the best way to get input is to keep these discussion on
> the list,
> since this is what the list is all about. The throw able gallon
> plastic jug
> throw option sounds like a good one. I believe it was the life
> rings that
> get stolen, therefore the plastic jug design. Chains dropped into
> the river
> along bulkheads could be covered or laced with a with a bright
> material to
> add to neck level water visibility may also be a cheap option.
> There are low
> cost leds that could be waterproofed and attached to high water
> mark of
> chains to aid in nighttime rescues. These chains would also help
> out first
> responders, since they would know if they grab someone all they
> have to do
> is get in closer to shore and wait till they drift by a chain to
> grab onto.
> Iam sure that the despondent people that jump into the rifer think
> better of
> it once the cold water brings them back to their senses. A exit
> strategy
> sounds like a good idea.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net
> <mailto:nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net>
> [mailto:nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net
> <mailto:nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net>] On Behalf Of Nancy
> Brous
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:22 PM
> To: nyckayaker**
> Subject: NYCkayaker safety in HRP
>
>
>
> thanks for the input and suggestions. (feel free to send them to me
> back-channel as i dont want this thread to become burdensome to
> the rest of
> the list)
>
> keep 'em coming. once we get this together for a recommendation
> to HRP, i'm
> hoping to pass some of it on to the EDC in the hopes of guiding the
> decisions they make about water safety in the planned park on the
> east river
> at the southern end of manhattan. no need to reinvent the wheel
> each time,
> right?
>
> bonnie, thanks for the link to that article. unfortunately mr.
> kim is not
> the only person who's drowned in our local waterways
> recently. i'll have
> to do a greater search to find some of the other stories, but i'll
> include
> them in our materials.
>
> erik, HRP does have some safety phones, notably near public
> water-access
> points, such as they are. but they do not have enough of them. the
> assumption that "everyone" has a cel phone these days is
> erroneous, and as i
> discovered the other night when i was inadvertently locked out of
> the pier
> 66 boathouse at dusk in wet clothes with no shoes, phone,
> housekeys, etc,
> there are NO PAYPHONES in the park, either. i agree they need
> more safety
> phones, and this, too has been mentioned.
>
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