NYCkayaker HRWA , the list serve owner request no more discussion of cost guard.

[David Gottlieb]

Mike, I agree with you. I believe the US Coast Guard serves a purpose in
heavily organized events. Whether they be kayaking, swimming, or monitoring
cigarette boat races (the latter which they don¹t monitor very well, and
which pose much more of a danger for all on the water!!!!) (And look at the
discussion we had on the cigarette Poker Run. That discussion went on ad
nauseum, but it eventually petered out. Which is what would have happened to
this discussion on the USCG, if the owner of the list serve, who I am sure
is a fine person, decided to ignore complaints, if there were any. I have
heard complaints about this discussion from others. I think freedom of
speech, as long as there is some relevancy to kayaking, no matter what the
subject ‹ cigarette boats, sea turtles, dredging, pollution, sculling,
mermaid parades, oysters and the USCG ‹ should be tolerated and is very
important, and is one of the foundations of our society..

There should be no CENSORSHIP on this topic as long as it is relevant to
kayaking. (Often there are posts completely irrelevant to kayaking, but I
don¹t care. I know how to go through them and ignore them if I choose, which
I have done for many discussions here. I have a delete button.) However, I
am still reading the posts on the CG, even though there hasn¹t been anything
new said on the subject recently. And I made my opinions clear on one post
and only one post about the topic.

Mike, Please forward this to the owner of the list serve... Censorship, no
matter how many complaints, has no place on this list serve. Keeping to
topic of kayaking should be adhered to by all members,. We should not
tolerate abusive language or attacks on other members of the list serve, but
that is where the limits go.

Keep this thread to kayaking is the responsibility of all members.
Controversial topics have a life of there own and then usually die out....
Censorship is bad. I hope the owner of this list serve, who does an
incredible service to the kayaking community by maintaining the list serve,
realizes this.... But we should not stop talking about these issues because
of a few whiners... Further, the CG discussion brings up relevant points of
safety and of event organization and of the kayaker¹s place in the sea of
shipping and boating....Yes, I think the CG discussion has been played out a
while back, but please let the discussion die its own natural death and not
via the nefarious sword of censorship....

David Gottlieb


On 9/24/07 8:40 AM, "mike" <mpidel at optonline.net> wrote:

> I just received this message back channel,
> I think it speaks for itself. Ban me, but I have no use for a list that
> restrict relevant communications on NY harbor kayak related matters.
>   ³HRWA and it is this
> association that provides this list as a paddles place
> to meet and find places to paddle. I can appreciate
> your feelings regarding the USCG however they are the
> deciding factor in the port / harbor of NY.  If you
> wish to continue a discussion within this subject
> range please continue it with that agency. This
> subject has been fully covered. If you wish to
> continue this discussion "back channel" with me please
> do not hesitate.²
>  
> Thank you for your cooperation in this mater.
>  
>  
> 
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