NYCkayaker Butterflies. Dang it, let's talk about butterflies. Yes yes.

Mon Sep 24 11:08:28 EDT 2007

Yes..  Very cool... I'm going to paddle around looking at butterflies. and I have no life ...(obviously)... this week. 
So...
I'm looking for a paddling partner for tomorrow-=afternoon, evening...
Wednesday afternoon, evening...
Thursday=all day and nite,
Anyone interested...contact me back channel.
Sandy

bonnie13 at earthlink.net wrote:Re: NYCkayaker HRWA , the list serve owner  request no more discussion of cost guard.  body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;}   I was out with a bunch of Sebago clubmates over the last 3 days, we did a fun paddle starting in Jamaica Bay, out around Breezy Point, in through the East Rockaway Inlet, along the inside shore of Fire Island & finishing up at Smith Point. First of a multi - year circumnavigation that I was lucky enough to get in on (thanks again anyone who's reading who made this happen) - next year, Montauk or bust!
 I was just blown away by the butterflies. So cool. I did actually get a nice picture of 2 of them - they don't hold still for long but on the 3rd & final lunch break, we pulled out on a little beach at Davis Park and there was a bush there that the butterflies loved & I did get a nice shot of a pair of them. 
 Totally reminded me of something from childhood - 
 My dad was stationed near Vallejo, California for about a year when I was in 5th grade. we were at the Mare Island Naval Shipyard while his sub was being overhauled. I really enjoyed that stay in northern California. I have incredible recollections of a lot of wonderful things that we'd go do - visiting San Francisco, going to see snow in the Sierra Nevadas (incredibly neat for a couple of snow-deprived kids who'd been mostly in Hawaii for the prior few years...awwwww, poor us...), Yosemite, stuff like that. Most of the spectacular memories involved a bit of driving - but I also have vivid recollections of a small park with a eucalytpus grove that was just a block or two from our house on base that happened to be a rest stop for the monarchs. 
 They'd hang from the trees in massive clusters.  It looked like fall. 

 -----Original Message----- 
From: sandy sobanski 
Sent: Sep 24, 2007 10:20 AM 
To: David Gottlieb 
, mike , 'nyckayaker' 
Subject: Re: NYCkayaker HRWA , the list serve owner request no more discussion of cost guard. 

I would highly recommend getting out and paddling this week because you can catch the sweet short seasonal moment---the monarch butterflies are just flying all over the place on their  long journey to wherever...It is so beautiful while your out on there in the middle of the river. I highly recommend it...and---- they are all over... One of my favorite things that happen every year paddling in this area.

David Gottlieb <peekamoose at optonline.net> wrote: 
Mike, I agree with you. I believe the US Coast Guard serves a purpose in heavily organized events. Whether they be kayaking, swimming, or monitoring cigarette boat races (the latter which they don’t monitor very well, and which pose much more of a danger for all on the water!!!!) (And look at the discussion we had on the cigarette Poker Run. That discussion went on ad nauseum, but it eventually petered out. Which is what would have happened to this discussion on the USCG, if the owner of the list serve, who I am sure is a fine person, decided to ignore complaints, if there were any. I have heard complaints about this discussion from others. I think freedom of speech, as long as there is some relevancy to kayaking, no matter what the subject — cigarette boats, sea turtles, dredging, pollution, sculling, mermaid parades, oysters and the USCG — should be tolerated and is very important, and is one of the foundations of our society.. 

There should be no CENSORSHIP on this topic as long as it is relevant to kayaking. (Often there are posts completely irrelevant to kayaking, but I don’t care. I know how to go through them and ignore them if I choose, which I have done for many discussions here. I have a delete button.) However, I am still reading the posts on the CG, even though there hasn’t been anything new said on the subject recently. And I made my opinions clear on one post and only one post about the topic. 

Mike, Please forward this to the owner of the list serve... Censorship, no matter how many complaints, has no place on this list serve. Keeping to topic of kayaking should be adhered to by all members,. We should not tolerate abusive language or attacks on other members of the list serve, but that is where the limits go. 

Keep this thread to kayaking is the responsibility of all members. Controversial topics have a life of there own and then usually die out....   Censorship is bad. I hope the owner of this list serve, who does an incredible service to the kayaking community by maintaining the list serve, realizes this.... But we should not stop talking about these issues because of a few whiners... Further, the CG discussion brings up relevant points of safety and of event organization and of the kayaker’s place in the sea of shipping and boating....Yes, I think the CG discussion has been played out a while back, but please let the discussion die its own natural death and not via the nefarious sword of censorship....

David Gottlieb

On 9/24/07 8:40 AM, "mike" <mpidel at optonline.net> wrote:

 I just received this message back channel, 
I think it speaks for itself. Ban me, but I have no use for a list that restrict relevant communications on NY harbor kayak related matters.
  “HRWA and it is this
association that provides this list as a paddles place
to meet and find places to paddle. I can appreciate
your feelings regarding the USCG however they are the
deciding factor in the port / harbor of NY.  If you
wish to continue a discussion within this subject
range please continue it with that agency. This
subject has been fully covered. If you wish to
continue this discussion "back channel" with me please
do not hesitate.”

Thank you for your cooperation in this mater.

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