NYCkayaker Blacklisted

[john mcgarvey]

Easy now with the implied name calling please, we're all amazing and  
dedicated folks trying to achieve the same goals. Civil discussions  
only, email is flammable.   : )

David you bring up an important point, do the swimmers even perceive  
of the kayak support conflict and danger?  I don't think so.  At  
Governors Island for Figment I ran into a swimmer i've done the MIMS  
with and countless other swims, he was surprised i was there and not  
kayak supporting and very concerned when i briefly discussed it.  What  
would the methodology be to disseminate that info.  Flyering before  
the swims?  hmmm.

Sorry about the blacklisting Peter.  Strange stuff indeed.
~j


On Jul 3, 2008, at 6:37 PM, David Gottlieb wrote:

> Eric,
> I really believe kayakers need to be united on this. With all the  
> problems
> cited a boycott on MIMS swims may seem to be in order. I like the  
> swims, but
> we have to be treated with the respect our skills and commitment  
> deserve.
> Maybe the swimmers, who are all decent, will also try to revamp the
> organization. To not participate in an event that some have said is  
> fraught
> with potential negligence and discourteous behavior to volunteer  
> kayakers is
> not being selfish. It is trying to improve conditions for everyone.  
> I think
> kayakers need to be united in this. Do you know what they call  
> people who
> cross union lines? I'm sure you do.
>
> I would rather see some negotiations. I sent a post on how swims can  
> be done
> correctly. It seems that other organizations have it together.  
> Perhaps we
> can force MIMs to change if kayakers don't show up to support.
>
> Just some thoughts....
>
>
> On 7/3/08 3:44 PM, "Erik Baard" <erikbaard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oy. Bad move if this is what unfolded for those motivations. I re- 
>> read your
>> comments and find nothing in them to warrant banishment from the  
>> MIMS.
>>
>> I am registered with a single, but will happily take you on in a  
>> tandem. You
>> have until the morning of the event to inform me if you'd like to  
>> take that
>> chance. I know my service to MIMS would only be augmented by having  
>> you as a
>> partner. If they want to turn us both away, then that's their  
>> decision and
>> they'll lose a supporter who has taken a few verbal beatings from  
>> fellow
>> kayakers for holding fast.
>>
>> This is all so insane when these events are celebrations and calls  
>> to renew
>> our bonds to the harbor community.
>>
>> I truly hope we can patch things up for the moment, and work things  
>> out at a
>> deeper level by next year. I want us to be on the same side so  
>> badly -- our
>> shared goals and challenges are so enormous.
>>
>> Erik
>>
>> http://www.naturecalendar.com
>> http://www.licboathouse.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Peter Riley <priley at amnh.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Fellow kayakers
>>> any one who is on this list is probably aware of a thread  
>>> concerning one
>>> of the swim organizations who sponsors the annual Manhattan Island
>>> Marathon Swim around Manhattan. This thread has addressed certain
>>> shortcomings by the organizers and has engendered a healthy back and
>>> forth; a candid exchange of views. Apparently these views have  
>>> been too
>>> much for the organizers. This afternoon I received a call from the
>>> organizer informing me my services will not be needed for the  
>>> race. When
>>> I told him I was committed to a particular relay group; I was told  
>>> they
>>> had lots of kayakers.
>>> I too am on that not so short list of former kayak coordinators  
>>> for this
>>> organization and have heard all the promises and decided in spite of
>>> this to do  one more race but criticism is apparently not welcome. I
>>> agree getting people out on or in the waters surrounding this city  
>>> are a
>>> worthy goal and I applaud MIF for their efforts in this regard; but
>>> ignoring the legitimate requests of those who provide safety related
>>> support to the swimmers and taking us for granted (we have lots of
>>> kayakers) is beyond the pale.
>>> see you out there
>>> Peter Riley
>>>
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