NYCkayaker Blacklisted

[sandy sobanski]

Since there are huge safety concerns-maybe the Coast Guard should be made aware that things are not good so the swims are run safely.


--- On Thu, 7/3/08, john mcgarvey <john at licboathouse.org> wrote:

> From: john mcgarvey <john at licboathouse.org>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Blacklisted
> To: "David Gottlieb" <peekamoose at optonline.net>
> Cc: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
> Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 7:21 PM
> Easy now with the implied name calling please, we're all
> amazing and  
> dedicated folks trying to achieve the same goals. Civil
> discussions  
> only, email is flammable.   : )
> 
> David you bring up an important point, do the swimmers even
> perceive  
> of the kayak support conflict and danger?  I don't
> think so.  At  
> Governors Island for Figment I ran into a swimmer i've
> done the MIMS  
> with and countless other swims, he was surprised i was
> there and not  
> kayak supporting and very concerned when i briefly
> discussed it.  What  
> would the methodology be to disseminate that info. 
> Flyering before  
> the swims?  hmmm.
> 
> Sorry about the blacklisting Peter.  Strange stuff indeed.
> ~j
> 
> 
> On Jul 3, 2008, at 6:37 PM, David Gottlieb wrote:
> 
> > Eric,
> > I really believe kayakers need to be united on this.
> With all the  
> > problems
> > cited a boycott on MIMS swims may seem to be in order.
> I like the  
> > swims, but
> > we have to be treated with the respect our skills and
> commitment  
> > deserve.
> > Maybe the swimmers, who are all decent, will also try
> to revamp the
> > organization. To not participate in an event that some
> have said is  
> > fraught
> > with potential negligence and discourteous behavior to
> volunteer  
> > kayakers is
> > not being selfish. It is trying to improve conditions
> for everyone.  
> > I think
> > kayakers need to be united in this. Do you know what
> they call  
> > people who
> > cross union lines? I'm sure you do.
> >
> > I would rather see some negotiations. I sent a post on
> how swims can  
> > be done
> > correctly. It seems that other organizations have it
> together.  
> > Perhaps we
> > can force MIMs to change if kayakers don't show up
> to support.
> >
> > Just some thoughts....
> >
> >
> > On 7/3/08 3:44 PM, "Erik Baard"
> <erikbaard at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Oy. Bad move if this is what unfolded for those
> motivations. I re- 
> >> read your
> >> comments and find nothing in them to warrant
> banishment from the  
> >> MIMS.
> >>
> >> I am registered with a single, but will happily
> take you on in a  
> >> tandem. You
> >> have until the morning of the event to inform me
> if you'd like to  
> >> take that
> >> chance. I know my service to MIMS would only be
> augmented by having  
> >> you as a
> >> partner. If they want to turn us both away, then
> that's their  
> >> decision and
> >> they'll lose a supporter who has taken a few
> verbal beatings from  
> >> fellow
> >> kayakers for holding fast.
> >>
> >> This is all so insane when these events are
> celebrations and calls  
> >> to renew
> >> our bonds to the harbor community.
> >>
> >> I truly hope we can patch things up for the
> moment, and work things  
> >> out at a
> >> deeper level by next year. I want us to be on the
> same side so  
> >> badly -- our
> >> shared goals and challenges are so enormous.
> >>
> >> Erik
> >>
> >> http://www.naturecalendar.com
> >> http://www.licboathouse.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Peter Riley
> <priley at amnh.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Fellow kayakers
> >>> any one who is on this list is probably aware
> of a thread  
> >>> concerning one
> >>> of the swim organizations who sponsors the
> annual Manhattan Island
> >>> Marathon Swim around Manhattan. This thread
> has addressed certain
> >>> shortcomings by the organizers and has
> engendered a healthy back and
> >>> forth; a candid exchange of views. Apparently
> these views have  
> >>> been too
> >>> much for the organizers. This afternoon I
> received a call from the
> >>> organizer informing me my services will not be
> needed for the  
> >>> race. When
> >>> I told him I was committed to a particular
> relay group; I was told  
> >>> they
> >>> had lots of kayakers.
> >>> I too am on that not so short list of former
> kayak coordinators  
> >>> for this
> >>> organization and have heard all the promises
> and decided in spite of
> >>> this to do  one more race but criticism is
> apparently not welcome. I
> >>> agree getting people out on or in the waters
> surrounding this city  
> >>> are a
> >>> worthy goal and I applaud MIF for their
> efforts in this regard; but
> >>> ignoring the legitimate requests of those who
> provide safety related
> >>> support to the swimmers and taking us for
> granted (we have lots of
> >>> kayakers) is beyond the pale.
> >>> see you out there
> >>> Peter Riley
> >>>
> >>>
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