NYCkayaker Book OF Job Re: B.B. incident 1st hand account
William
haawill at yahoo.com
Fri Jul 18 23:47:06 EDT 2008
Really guys,
An incident happened, an account was made, and things were learned from it by all those who were actually present, yes, even the knuckleheads who did'nt realize the danger they put themselves in as well as others.
Those leading the group, just be humble, and as the expression goes "Chew the meat, spit out the bones" of comments and recomendations of those sitting in their armchairs.
I think it's great there are people like Erik who has a passion for the environment and gets people out on the water.
Yes life always presents challenges, be they knuckleheads or foul weather, or some guy named Murphy shows up causing even the best led groups to sometimes end in disaster.
Life, we're all students.
These pearls of wisdom brought to you by ....
Will of NJ
Where the grass is always manicured,
a car is burning somewhere,
and the children ...
damm ! where are they anyway?
--- On Fri, 7/18/08, erikbaard at gmail.com <erikbaard at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: erikbaard at gmail.com <erikbaard at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker B.B. incident 1st hand account
> To: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
> Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 10:32 PM
> So we are mocked for providing as full an accounting as
> possible?
>
> We fundamentally disagree with your attitude toward access
> and your assessment of the strait and its traffic, which we
> know better than you.
>
> If we were silent, would you accuse of hiding information?
>
> Shakespeare knew how life was four those of us living among
> your kind as well:
>
> "Be thou as chaste as ice, as pure as snow, thou shalt
> not escape calumny."
>
> Anyway, we just came back for yet another wonderful public
> East River outing. The kind we have at least three times
> every summer week.
>
> I respected you far more before this note. I'll be
> happy to share the harbor more amicably one day soon.
>
> Erik Baard
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Reiser/Leona Fontaine
> <lee060 at earthlink.net>
>
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:17:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> To: <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
> Subject: NYCkayaker B.B. incident 1st hand account
>
>
> Okay, I've held back for as long as I can.
> What! We need yet another account of this incident. Why?
> Trying to convince us all or just yourself. Novices do not
> belong on the most dangerous place in NYC Harbor, the East
> River. Period! Where's the accountability? You should
> check out your kayak, because I think there's a loose
> wing nut behind the coaming!
> Lee Reiser
>
> A quote from the play, Hamlet by Wm. Shakespeare:
> "Methinks the Lady doth protest too much!"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Sorry "Ted is excellent but in this case he needed
> to tighten the tail on
> >both sides." should have been ""Ted is
> excellent but in this case WE needed
> >to tighten the tail on both sides."
> >
> >My point wasn't that Ted's work wasn't
> adequate, but that in this special
> >circumstance it woul have been best to have two sweeps.
> You can't
> >idiot-proof a trip (a point some paddlers seem to work
> to prove) but while
> >the falls are in place we will ensure that we shepherd
> extra-tightly on both
> >sides.
> >
> >Erik Baard
> >
> >On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:14 AM, <MainYo at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Greetings all,
> >> I'm one of the LIC Community Boathouse
> volunteers and was present last
> >> Friday afternoon when the two paddlers dunked
> under the Brooklyn bridge in
> >> front of the falls. Here's my report and
> assessment.
> >> Light wind, clear sky, comfortable air and
> water temperatures
> >> constituted superb conditions for the short outing
> from Valentino Park in
> >> Red Hook, to
> >> Brooklyn Bridge Park including a brief landing
> (with permission in
> >> advance)
> >> on Governors Island. Erik, John & I from
> LICCB accompanied 24 paddlers.
> >> The
> >> 24 were in 14 boats (11 tandems and 2 singles)
> for a comfortable boat
> >> ratio
> >> of less than 5:1.
> >> The thorough pre-launch safety talk included
> specific warnings to avoid
> >> all stationary objects because of wakes, chop
> & current. The group
> >> understood the need to keep a tight formation and
> comply with all
> >> instruction. All
> >> indicated their ability to swim and no one
> expressed any reservations
> >> about
> >> proceeding.
> >> We enjoyed smooth sailing, spectacular scenery
> and good company. The
> >> Buttermilk crossing was textbook. Our ride along
> the east side of the
> >> island
> >> with current was quick and easy. After landing
> on Governors, some of us
> >> walked
> >> to the tall waterfall on the north side while
> others strolled or sunned
> >> themselves on the lawn.
> >> The last leg began with an orderly crossing
> back toward the Brooklyn
> >> piers and proceeded through considerable chop up
> toward the bridges.
> >> Everyone
> >> seemed to understand the effect of the nearly
> maximum flood current. At
> >> this
> >> point I was sweeping and watched most of the pack
> pass neatly by the
> >> Brooklyn
> >> Bridge and it's falls. The tandem two boats
> in front of me veered right
> >> between the Water Taxi dock and the falls and the
> stern seat passenger put
> >> his
> >> paddle on his lap and extended his arms into the
> air to pose for photos
> >> taken
> >> by the front seat paddler in the tandem behind
> him. He was facing SSW and
> >> did
> >> not realize his rate of closure with the array of
> obstacles placed around
> >> the falls. When he finally noticed that collision
> with the floating boom
> >> was
> >> imminent, he and his petrified partner did
> nothing to avoid but just
> >> watched
> >> as the river swept their boat from under them.
> >> I directed the photographer and her partner to
> go left while I went
> >> right and moved in to get closer to the two wet
> ones. The front seat guy
> >> climbed
> >> atop a barrel that was only slightly bigger than
> he was and clung to it.
> >> As
> >> he did this, I noticed his pfd riding up over his
> head. Clearly he was
> >> terrified. The second guy clutched his boat with
> one hand and the boom
> >> with the
> >> other and endured the rushing water with his back
> to me so communication
> >> with
> >> him was impossible. The situation was stable as
> I paddled hard to stay in
> >> place. I repeatedly shouted at the guy on the
> barrel to try to snug up
> >> his
> >> pfd, but he never let go of the barrel. Erik and
> John approached from
> >> behind
> >> and told me to back away and catch theses guys
> and their boat when they
> >> break
> >> loose. Erik could not persuade either of the two
> to let go and float away
> >> to
> >> be collected. Less than five minutes into this
> the NYPS launch closed in
> >> and took over. One officer threw a life ring at
> the guy on the barrel. He
> >> caught it on the second attempt but lost his grip
> while being pulled to
> >> open
> >> water. He floated straight at me and grabbed my
> bow with one hand on each
> >> side
> >> and appeared quite relieved. The police boat
> came toward us and took him
> >> from
> >> me. In hindsight, this was a mistake because this
> guy's troubles were
> >> over.
> >> I should have given the ok sign with one hand and
> point to the second guy
> >> with the other.
> >> The Police then went back to the south side of
> the falls to get the
> >> other guy, and I went back to waiting for whatever
> floated by. John
> >> managed to
> >> get close to helping the guy, but capsized in the
> attempt. John and his
> >> boat
> >> were swept toward me. I helped him get back onto
> his Cobra, though clearly
> >> he
> >> would've been fine if I weren't there. I
> watched the last guy catch the
> >> life
> >> ring and get pulled away from the boom. Their
> tandem came at me and I
> >> towed
> >> it the 200 yards to our takeout where everyone
> else was relieved to learn
> >> the outcome. The Police refused to let the two
> off in Brooklyn and took
> >> them
> >> to pier 11 in Manhattan for the customary visit
> to the ER.
> >> Two paddles were lost. This can be forgiven
> because this wasn't your
> >> typical middle of the water situation. The noisy
> waterfall and clutter of
> >> the
> >> barricade contributed to their fear and
> confusion. Clearly this episode
> >> should not have occurred and isn't
> acceptable. We at LICCB are well aware
> >> of the
> >> necessity of safety for safety's sake as well
> as for the perception of
> >> those
> >> who regulate our activities. We operate mainly
> in the East River and are
> >> very familiar with the powerful currents there.
> In this instance, fixed
> >> objects
> >> along the shoreline presented at least as much
> danger as venturing too far
> >> into the river. While the paddlers who dunked
> ignored several
> >> instructions, I
> >> regret not being more forceful in directing them
> away from trouble. Their
> >> ability to get back on the boat was not an issue
> in this case. This would
> >> have easily been accomplished had we gotten those
> two away from the clutter
> >> under the falls.
> >> The very next day, eight paddlers in four
> tandems and I paddled from
> >> LIC
> >> to Red Hook, around Governors Island and back. We
> enjoyed.the spray of
> >> all
> >> four waterfalls and met the same two police
> officers under the Brooklyn
> >> Bridge. When I thanked them for their help and
> apologized for the
> >> trouble, they
> >> smiled, waved and told us to have a safe and fun
> day.
> >> We did.
> _http://picasaweb.google.com/mainyo72/LICToRedHook_
> >>
> (http://picasaweb.google.com/mainyo72/LICToRedHook)
> >>
> >> My sincere apologies to each of you for the bad
> publicity that this
> >> incident
> >> has generated,
> >> Ted Gruber
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >--
> >Erik Baard
> >
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