NYCkayaker randall's/clearwater
HB
carrotjuice at friendsofbrookpark.org
Tue Jun 17 12:06:58 EDT 2008
Going upstate with the Urban Divers folks to set up big tipi and boats etc
at clearwater. LIC Community boathouse doing great thigs too and Yonkers
folks etc etc.
I support Eco activities on randall's islandand some hiphop up to date music
too, as they are starting to put artificial toxic turf on like 40% of the
land, still being contested, and the rest is closed off to the public, see:
http://ny.metro.us/metro/local/article/No_firm_is_an_island/12649.html
On 6/17/08 12:00 PM, "nyckayaker-request at rockandwater.net"
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> 1. Re: Kayak safety meeting with NY Waterway (Dan Starer)
> 2. 2008 Paddle for a Parkinson's Cure ( July 2008)
> (Lee Reiser/Leona Fontaine)
> 3. Re: Kayak safety meeting with NY Waterway
> (Fischbein, Mike S (US SSA))
> 4. Re: Kayak safety meeting with NY Waterway
> (Fischbein, Mike S (US SSA))
> 5. Clearwater (on Randalls Island?) and Oyster Event (Erik Baard)
> 6. Mark Kurlansky interview (Erik Baard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:02:32 -0400
> From: "Dan Starer" <danstarer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Kayak safety meeting with NY Waterway
> To: paddleboy2000 at gmail.com
> Cc: nyckayaker at rockandwater.net
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> My guess is if you were close to a docked ferry (which violates Coast Guard
> security regs.), by the side of the boat, and the doors to the wheelhouse
> were open, and someone was in there, they might hear you. But the
> wheelhouse is high off the water and I wouldn't count on it. Also, ferry
> captains wouldn't expect to hear a blown whistle coming from the water, so
> they might ignore it.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Geoff K. <geoffk99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the response. I was really thinking more along the lines of
>> docked ferries, but I wrote my note to be a little more general. Do you
>> think whistle blows from a kayak to a docked ferry would be audible? Ferries
>> on the move are easier for a paddler to manage in most cases (generally just
>> give it a wide berth), but when passing astern of a docked ferry, this is
>> when I feel most vulnerable around them. If a whistle shot would be helpful
>> to alert captains to a paddler's presence, I'm all for doing so. However, if
>> it's simply not practical, that important to know, as well.
>>
>> -- Geoff
>>
>>
>> Dan Starer wrote:
>>
>>> Having been in the wheelhouse of a NY Waterway ferry last week, and having
>>> cruised around the the lower part of the Hudson, I can verify there is no
>>> way a ferry captain could hear a whistle blown by a kayakers. I doubt if
>>> even a small air horn that kayakers might carry would be audible to a ferry
>>> moving at full speed.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:27:39 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: Lee Reiser/Leona Fontaine <lee060 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: NYCkayaker 2008 Paddle for a Parkinson's Cure ( July 2008)
> To: NYCkayaker at rockandwater.net
> Cc: lfontaine at twrgrp.com
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> Hi All:
> I recently received an interesting E-Mail from Cherie Crowningshield with
> details
> of a Kayak journey she is planning with her good friend Paul to benefit the
> Michael J Fox Foundation
> for Parkinson's awareness. This trip will start on the shores of Lake
> Champlain
> in Port Kent, NY and end at the Statue of Liberty in NYC. (Approx.10 Days, 300
> Miles). Her Father
> was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, and Cherie works with many individuals
> living with this debilitating illness.
>
> Cherie is inquiring if there are other Kayakers out there who would be
> interested
> in supporting her cause. ( Their original schedule is posted at the end of
> this
> e-mail, but is subject to change..
> We will keep you posted.)
>
> I have volunteered to assist Cherie and Paul in this cause by committing to a
> 30
> mile paddle from Plum Point to Yonkers. ( Dates to be determined...should be
> after the 16th of July).
> My Mother-in-Law has suffered with Parkinson's for the past ten years, so this
> is a cause
> that is close to our hearts. My wife, Leona has sent e-mails to our friends
> and co-workers requesting
> them to sponsor me for every mile that I paddle with a cap at 30 miles. For
> example,
> if someone pledges $1.00 a mile, and I complete the 30 miles, their
> contribution
> will be $30. In just a week's time, Leona and I were able toobtain 31 sponsors
> with $860 pledged.
>
> We thought it would be great if we could get other Paddlers to participate in
> any
> fashion that is convenient for them. Here are some suggestions if you are
> interested:
>
> 1) You can paddle as you choose and contribute a flat amount at your
> discretion.
> 2) You can paddle a certain # of miles and request sponsorship from your
> friends.
> 3) You can request that your friends and family sponsor someone you know that
> is
> paddling.
> 4) You can offer Cherie and Paul support by paddling with them at any given
> point.
>
> All contributions should be payable to "The Michael J Fox Foundation for
> Parkinson's
> Research".
>
> If you need modes of transportation, car-pools are available. Other
> experienced
> Kayakers will be paddling with me to Yonkers, so you will be in good company.
>
> I have included Cherie's original e-mail and tentative schedule below. Please
> contact me if you have any questions or wish to participate in any way. We
> look
> forward to hearing from you and know you will feel good about participating in
> a
> very worthy cause.
>
>
>
>
> Cherie Crowningshield?s E- Mail and Attachments
>
>
>
> -----Forwarded Message-----
> From: Cherie C
> Sent: May 14, 2008 9:37 PM
> To: ariane skywalker , ashleigh livingston , m a , britt , dixie belcher ,
> Erik
> Baard , Janet Sayward , justin bourdon , Friends of Brook Park , christine
> least
> , carol crowningshield , Carrie Golitz , Gretchen Crowningshield , Kerry
> Crowningshield
> , Willaru , odette citron , Michael Cook , david mueller , paul dickerson ,
> Ralph
> Diaz , Ellen Frey , Lee Reiser/Leona Fontaine , jack gilman , hiromi ohno ,
> howard
> smith , Megan livingstone , James , jen rushford , kim , lidia , marzipan ,
> minako
> + yoshi , Osmany No , pat , "Paul Pulsifer," , Romulo , Steve Wates ,
> Sunbringer , tommy sloan
> Subject: Paddle for a Cure with contact info
> Dear friends,
> My friend Paul and I are planning a kayak journey in July to benefit The
> Michael
> J. Fox Foundation and Parkinson's awareness. We will be starting our trip on
> the shores of Lake Champlain in Port Kent, NY and ending at the Statue of
> Liberty
> in NYC. This will take approximately 10 days and the distance is averaging 300
> miles.
> We are inquiring if we might be able to possibly have you support us in
> spreading
> awareness and possibly help us raise funds for Parkinson's research. This
> cause
> is very dear to my heart due to the fact that my father was diagnosed with
> Parkinson's
> Disease and I now work with many individuals living with Parkinson's. Attached
> is an overview of our itinerary, who we are and a poster we are using to
> generate
> awareness/ raise funds. Anything you might be able to do would be greatly
> appreciated.
> Thanks so much light and love, Cherie -n- Paul
>
> Itinerary for July 2008, ?Paddle for a Cure?
>
>
> Saturday 12th:
> 10 miles Port Kent to the east side of Willsboro point (5:00am-9:00am)
> 10 miles Willsboro point to Whallonsburg (1:00pm)
> 10 Miles Whallonsburg to Westport (5:00) 30 miles total
>
> Sunday 13th:
> 10 miles Westport to Port Henry (5:00am-9:00am)
> 8 miles Port Henry to Crown Point (12 noon)
> 13 miles Crown Point to Fort Ticonderoga (5:00pm) 31 miles total
>
> Monday 14th:
> 12miles the park at Ticonderoga to Clemens (5:00am-9:00am)
> 8 miles Clemens to Whitehall (12 noon)
> 12 miles Whitehall to Fort Ann (6:00pm) 32 miles total
>
> Tuesday 15th:
> 12 miles Fort Ann to Fort Edward (5:00am-10:00am)
> 10 miles Fort Edward to Schuylerville (2:00pm)
> 9 miles Schuylerville to Saratoga National Park (5:00pm) 31 miles total
>
> Wednesday 16th:
> 10 miles SPAC to Mechanicville (5:00am-9:00am)
> 10 miles Mechanicville to Troy Locks (1:00pm)
> 10 miles Troy Locks to Papscanee Island (5:00pm) 30 miles total
>
> Thursday 17th:
> 11 miles Cooper Kill to Matthew Point (5:00am-10:00am)
> 10 miles Matthew Point to Hudson (2:00pm)
> 10 miles Hudson to Germantown (5:00pm) 31 miles total
>
> Friday 18th:
> 13 Germantown to Kingston (5:00am-10:00am)
> 13 miles Kingston to Lange Rack (3:00pm)
> 8 Lange Rack to Marlboro (6:00pm) 34 miles total
>
> Saturday 19th:
> 15 miles Marlboro to West Point (5:00am-10:00am)
> 7 miles West Point to Peekskill (2:00pm) 22 miles total
>
> Sunday 20th:
> 11 miles Peekskill to North Park (5:00am-9:00am)
> 14 miles North Park to Yonkers (3:00pm) 25 miles total
>
> Monday 21st:
> 16 miles Yonkers to Battery (8:00am-1:00pm)
> 3 miles Battery to Statue of Liberty (6:30pm) 19 miles total
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lee Reiser
> 914-319-9658 ( Cell)
> 845-352-0162 ( Home)
> E-mail Address: lee060 at earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:40:01 -0400
> From: "Fischbein, Mike S \(US SSA\)" <mike.fischbein at baesystems.com>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Kayak safety meeting with NY Waterway
> To: <bonnie13 at earthlink.net>, <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
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> <DEEC01AB7A778D42B998E6A8E53B385906A5036F at blums0014.na.baesystems.com>
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> I haven't been back kayaking in the city for a couple of years, but I
> can appreciate the issue from both perspectives: as a formerly fairly
> active kayaker out of the DTBH, and as a former Navy officer operating
> large ocean-going vessels. Hey, from a Nimitz-class bridge, the NY
> Waterways ferries are speed bumps.
>
> But I'd like to emphasize the big difference, mentioned in the excerpt
> below. Watchstanders on the Navy vessels, large commercial vessels,
> ferries, etc. have a reasonable expectation that they can predict what
> other professional traffic will do. They know how to communicate
> exceptions and can pretty much accommodate each other. They don't have
> those expectations (based on personal experience) when dealing with
> small recreational craft -- and it doesn't get smaller or more
> recreational than kayaks. To operate our craft safely in the sometimes
> crowded waterways of NYC Harbor, we must know the Rules of the Nautical
> Road. Most of the problems commercial skippers have with kayaks and
> other small recreational boats stem from the operators not following the
> right-of-way rules. A small powerboat has the speed to simply get away
> from a bad situation, even if they are the cause; a kayak does not and
> must avoid the situation to begin with.
>
> Learn the Rules and follow them. They aren't hard, particularly if you
> don't bother with lots of special cases (though if you go kayaking at
> night, I urge you to get very familiar with the tug and tow lighting
> patterns. You don't want to cut between them). That won't eliminate
> all kayak - commercial traffic issues, but it will greatly reduce them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> mike
>
> __
> Mike Fischbein
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bonnie13 at earthlink.net
>>> Sent: Jun 16, 2008 12:38 PM
>
>
>>> Re the "speed bumps" thing - I can actually sympathize with that for
> a
>> couple of reasons. They're working, we're playing, the ferry folks are
>> running on really tight schedules (and from the sound of it the
> Waterways
>> folks, at least, are also on a pretty short staff - that's why they
> missed
>> the first one) and we're making their jobs just that much harbor. I
> mean
>> harder. It's a pretty crusty milieu, too. Everybody's jostling for
> space;
>> the working craft didn't used to have to deal with so many
> recreational
>> craft. And let's face it, kayaks are small and slow and as TomBrooklyn
> was
>> pointing out, there's plenty of kayakers (and other recreational
> craft)
>> out there who don't know the rules of the road. I know plenty of good
>> kayakers on this list who have funny and/or hair-raising stories about
>> seeing people waltzing up the middle of the channel, taking out boats
> that
>> aren't really suited to the area, & just generally not understanding
>> what's what out there.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, those are the ones that stand out when you're standing
>> watch - the ones who know the rules don't draw near as much attention
> to
>> themselves. Have to keep those people in mind any time you're talking
>> about "kayakers" in general - I'd bet that's what most of the pilots
> are
>> thinking of when they're joking about speedbumps.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:56:36 -0400
> From: "Fischbein, Mike S \(US SSA\)" <mike.fischbein at baesystems.com>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker Kayak safety meeting with NY Waterway
> To: <paddleboy2000 at gmail.com>, <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
> Message-ID:
> <DEEC01AB7A778D42B998E6A8E53B385906A50371 at blums0014.na.baesystems.com>
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> See comments inline.
>
> Thanks,
>
> mike
>
> __
> Mike Fischbein - 703-668-4598
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nyckayaker-bounces at rockandwater.net [mailto:nyckayaker-
>> bounces at rockandwater.net] On Behalf Of Geoff K.
>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 13:19
>
>
>> Is there some acceptable whistle pattern that kayakers may use when
>> navigating around ferries, both docked and on the move
>
> Look at the Rules of the Nautical Road for whistle signals. Odds are
> the ferries won't signal to you first, since very few kayakers know the
> signals. But you can signal to them. I do recall one time when I was
> able to make the "my engines are going astern" signal to the combined
> amusement and relief of a Circle Line bridge crew.
>
>> I would defer to the working boats' knowledge and opinion on this
>> question. If there are some system of signals that already exist, I'd
> be
>> happy to use my whistle for signaling.
>
>> Rules of the road are just that, but we all need to understand what
> they
>> are before we can use them consistently.
>
> Note that the COLREGS, aka "Rules of the Nautical Road," aka "Convention
> on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea," are
> not just common practice, but are the internationally agreed upon
> "traffic laws" governing ship operations. You can download the 229 page
> handbook, including both International and US Inland rules, from the
> USCG at <http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/navrules/navrules.pdf>. I advise doing
> a web search and finding one of the much smaller, easier to use
> summaries unless you really want all the detail.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:20:09 -0400
> From: "Erik Baard" <erikbaard at gmail.com>
> Subject: NYCkayaker Clearwater (on Randalls Island?) and Oyster Event
> To: "nyckayaker List" <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
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> Ahoy'all,
>
> I posted a few harbor things to http://www.naturecalendar.com
>
> 1) A suggestion the perhaps the Clearwater Festival could grow to include a
> Randalls Island event
> 2) A reminder the June 17 (tomorrow!) oyster event with thr River Project at
> Pier 40.
>
> Also, please let me know if you want to be included in the WildWire postings
> I put together each week!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Erik
http://www.friendsofbrookpark.org
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