NYCkayaker Runoff Beach Re: advice on Hell Gate at max flood

[William]

This is so silly , really ... why won't they let self powered boats land on the beach? Is it a swimming beach? Have sea turtles laid their eggs there? Are they afraid of someone drowning?  or is it, God forbid,  wanting to prevent the possibility that enemies of the state might land their espionage agents? Speaking of which, how many billions of dollars, wasted man hours, (OK I know women's hours are being wasted as well) and loss of citizens privacy , not to mention  people's shoes at airports, has the ever escalating "we're doing this for your own good" mentality brought us to? Look at where England's gone and the number of spy, I mean , public safety, cameras are mounted on just about every street corner , not to mention our own country's un warrented (no court order) wire taps on ANY one's phone ... crap! Are those eyes I see on my screen?    
.......
Ahhhh ... much better ... now I can sleep peacefully tonight knowing I've vented ... I mean, stood up for civil liberties ... 
Will / NJ 
  


--- On Sun, 6/22/08, rob buchanan <robbuc at aol.com> wrote:

> From: rob buchanan <robbuc at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: NYCkayaker advice on Hell Gate at max flood
> To: nycmhandy at yahoo.com, "nykayak" <nyckayaker at rockandwater.net>
> Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 7:32 AM
> There are two beaches just south of the Manhattan bridge in
> dumbo cove--a
> big cobble beach that's in the city park, and a little
> sandy one that's in
> the state park (empire-fulton ferry state park). If it was
> a state parks
> person who chased you off, then you were landing on the
> sandy one, I think.
> 
> Here's a link to an aerial photo of both--the dividing
> line between the two
> parks runs right off the left-hand edge of the big red
> brick warehouse,
> empire stores, behind the sandy beach:
> 
> http://www.newyorkharborbeaches.org/image/beach12img01.jpg
> 
> Everything to the left of that line is city park and you
> can normally land
> there without hassle, even though it's not yet an
> 'official' launch or
> landing. Besides the cobble beach (which can be rough on
> boats) there's a
> sandy beach to the north, directly under the manhattan
> bridge (watch out for
> a rocky reef back there, not visible at high tide).
> 
> The state parks rule seems to extend to all the other state
> parks on the
> east river, in williamsburg and long island city. Rachel
> Gordon, the head of
> the nyc region for state parks, has heard from boaters
> before about this,
> but I think more notes and letters (civilly phrased, of
> course) could only
> be a good thing.
> 
> Rachel Gordon: Rachel.Gordon at oprhp.state.ny.us
> 
> 
> Rob Buchanan 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/21/08 8:29 PM, "mark handy"
> <nycmhandy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thank you to the eight people who responded to my
> request for circumnav
> > advice. I blended your very helpful information
> together and came up with a
> > plan that worked well. The ideal conditions today
> helped, too, of course.
> > I've never seen the Battery so calm.
> > 
> > We got chased off the little beach just south of the
> Manhattan Bridge by a NYS
> > Parks officer.  I had heard of that prohibition at
> some point, but there were
> > no signs and I had forgotten what I heard.  It seems
> like a wrongheaded rule.
> > Anybody know the rationale, or to whom I should
> complain? There is a similar
> > beach just north of the bridge. Is that one legal?
> > 
> > Hello to whomever I waved to at the yellow sit-on-tops
> in LIC.
> > 
> > The trip took us six hours.  I don't understand
> how people can do it in under
> > four. We had a total of maybe one hour of rests, on
> land and on water, so
> > scratch all of them and we had five hours of paddling.
> We didn't work all that
> > hard, except on the Harlem, so maybe subtract half an
> hour for pushing hard
> > all the way.  Then the remaining 45-minute reduction
> comes from where?  Pure
> > muscle?  Fast boats?  Clockwise instead of
> counterclockwise?
> > 
> > Thank you again. See you on the river.
> > 
> > Mark
> >
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