NYCkayaker NYC Water Trail

[David Gottlieb]

HUH????

Excuse me for my density... If the USCG has different rules than the NYC
Parks Dep't which has different rules than the city of NY which has
different rules than the state of NY or the State of NJ (if I am in the
middle of the Hudson beneath the GW Bridge) which has different rules from
the Port Authority of NY and NJ which has different rules from the Palisades
Interstate Park Commission, ad nauseum, who then, or which entity, really
and truly rules?????????

Of course these rules are just to protect the not-so-innocent bureaucrats
who like to make up rules from frivolous lawsuits.... No, let's not get on
that discussion again...

I'm going to take a hike.... But I won't tell you where I'm hiking for fear
of breaking some rules.....

Happy Paddling (but don't break the "rules.")

On 3/29/08 11:16 AM, "Richard Clifford" <RichardClifford at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> NYCKayaker:
>     Here is the concept so we don't go off on a long discourse about
> what one may and may not do. "Everyplace is regulated" by someone or
> some state agency, and they all assert to operate under the rule of law,
> to be doing it legally. The need for regulation often goes to issues of
> rights and responsibilities of those locales. The boundaries for the
> City of New York and its Parks Dept. do extend beyond the shoreline. The
> extend for ownership and responsibility is a constant source of
> discussion in the NYC Law Dept. as to how far and who is to be
> responsible. The topic often arises when the discussion turns to
> construction, maintenance or clean-up of piers and jetties. So, if a
> person is in the water (swimming or rolling) or on it (kayaking or
> boating) or in  the park then someone or some agency is going to be able
> to "call the police" to tell you to stop, do it differently, or at a
> different time or manner, or to do it somewhere else.
> 
>     For one who is "outside" the boundaries of the NYC Parks Dept. would
> simply lead to a call to NYC Marine Police and/or the US Coast Guard who
> would come along and tell you what you may or may not do "legally."
> Compliance with those directions is an obligation. The Map and Guide are
> intended to help each of us know the rules and the locations and to
> minimize trouble or confusion (often misunderstandings or misperceptions
> that a boater or swimmer is in "trouble", usually by the uninitiated). -
> Richard Clifford
> 
> 
> 
> David Gottlieb wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure that the Parks Dep't can legally prohibit someone from swimming
>> or practicing immersion escape techniques just because they provide access
>> to the greater waters. They can probably prohibit these activities if the
>> water area is included within the boundary of the specific park, but once
>> out of the boundaries they have no jurisdiction. ........
>> 
> 
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