[NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV

Joao de Souza cyclinglemur@gmail.com
Thu Jul 11 22:29:46 EDT 2013


By the way, I tried to post a reply from my home computer, and it wasn't
approved by the moderator.  Now I cannot access the site from my home
computer, but I can from work and from my mobile devices.

Looks like Dr Steven Greer, the guy behind batterypark.tv, not only rejects
any posts that don't agree with him, but also blocks anyone with different
views from accessing his website.


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:43 PM, chris correia <chris@chriscorreia.com>wrote:

> Chief Kinnear,
>
> I live 100 yards from the World Financial Center terminal. I complained to
> my Community Board about ferries at the terminal blasting their horns, and
> the Board forwarded to me your email of May 31 to New York Waterway.
>
> I respect that you have a duty to enforce Inland Navigation Rule 34. On
> behalf of myself and my neighbors, I sincerely ask that you do so
> judiciously. Lower Manhattan is different from other places. Hundreds of
> hard-working families live within just a few blocks of the terminal, many
> of us with young children. Dozens of ferry boats visit the terminal every
> hour, starting at 6 a.m. sharp every weekday. When every one of those boats
> blasts their foghorn, four times each on every visit, the situation becomes
> ridiculous.
>
> Perhaps you could get comfortable that the WFC terminal slips are not a
> "dock or berth," as that phrase is used in Rule 34, because the boats are
> not tied or secured in any way.  Instead, they stay in place solely by
> continuously gunning their engines (which itself is a lively topic of
> conversation in the community, by the way).  That is a real distinction.
>
> Nobody is surprised when those ferries pull out.  They are in their
> respective slips for just a minute or two each.  That traffic pattern is
> clear for all to see.  On top of that, just from the way they keep their
> engines gunning, it would be obvious even to a total novice that something
> big has to change very soon.
>
> We have a lot of eve
>
> ything in lower Manhattan, but early on a weekday morning, even in
> mid-summer, it is extremely rare to see a single kayaker or sailboat under
> way anywhere near the terminal.  Frankly the ferries are, without any
> horns, already so noisy and smoky that they are incapable of surprising
> anybody.  In any case a person who takes it upon himself to get into a
> kayak at 6 in the morning and paddle around lower Manhattan knows exactly
> what he is doing.  He is seeking fun and excitement in an inherently
> dangerous sport, and the thrill and glory of being among the "big fish" is
> a big part of that.  The theoretical risk of somehow surprising this
> non-existent, thrill-seeking novice insomniac kayaker someday -- that is
> not nearly worth waking up hundreds of hard-working families every single
> morning.
>
> Please throttle back.
>
> Respectfully, (Name withheld, lives on River Terrace)
>
> Reply from Captain Kinnear. Note his references to fears of lawsuit.
>
> I feel your pain. When I was growing up. I lived in an apartment in
> Brooklyn over a Chinese laundry a block away from the overhead trains.  I
> would love to help you, but the ferry captains are following the Rules of
> the Road. The Rules of the Road is the international law of all
> navigational waters. If the captains do not sound the proper signals as
> required, they are putting their livelihood and Merchant Mariners License
> in serious jeopardy as well as for the safety of the people using the
> waterways. Just like there are driving rules for driving cars, either you
> follow them, and if you don't, your license can be take
>
> God forbid that a ferry ever hit a kayaker, a sailboat, swimmers, another
> ferry, and someone dies and it is found out through investigation that this
> person was killed because the ferry failed to sound the proper signals as
> required by law. Guess what happens to the captain. I don't think theres a
> court in the world that would not try and hang the captain, because the
> captain failed to sound his sound signal which is no more than 6 seconds.
>
> I'm sorry again to say this, but until the International Maritime
> Organization and the US Congress change the rules, there is nothing I can
> do.
>
>
> This entry was posted in - Federal government, New York Waterway ferry
> boat pollution, Sailing/Yachting. Bookmark the permalink.
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> One Response to Coast Guard responds to letter about boat horn noise
>
> Wolfgang says:
> July 3, 2013 at 6:54 pm
> I really don’t like it, when people are lying.
>
> The last 25 years there was no problem without honking- and now they can
> loose everything… this is just a cynical bad joke.
>
> In Germany exists something like a “usual practice”. This “usual practice”
> can not be changed after such a long period of time without a new legal
> regulation.
>
> If it’s the same here in the U.S., we should hire an attorney and file a
> lawsuit.
>
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 1:33 PM, bonnie13@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > I think I'm blocked too.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Nancy Brous <nbrous@gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Jul 11, 2013 1:11 PM
> >> To: nyckayaker** <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> >> Subject: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> >>
> >> I cannot access the site.
> >> Bonnie, (or anyone), can you please paste the text of the posts into
> >> an email to me?
> >> Thanks in advance-
> >> Nancy, Kayak-tivist and Rabble-Rouser
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 23:15:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> >> From: bonnie13@earthlink.net
> >> To: nyckayaker <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> >> Subject: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> >>
> >> Did everyone see the Coast Guard's response to the Battery TV folks?
> >>
> >>
> http://www.batterypark.tv/federal-government/coast-guard-responds-to-letter-about-boat-horn-noise-2.html/comment-page-1
> >>
> >> Worth a read if you can. I've been having intermittent problems
> >> accessing the site.
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