[NYCkayaker] ferry horns redux

L Bleich kayakmidwifelb@gmail.com
Wed Jul 24 10:32:07 EDT 2013


I agree-safety first!
Laurie Bleich

On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, Nancy Brous wrote:

> i told NYT about the "censorship" n the battery park blog and asked
> anyone i know who tried to post there but was scuttled to contact him.
>  i dont think anyone did but it was over the weekend for the most
> part.
> unfortunately my take-away from much of this is that the prevailing
> attitude amongst land-lubbers is "we'll pay attention after an
> accident happens but until then why worry?".  i told them its not
> kayakers v ferries or waterfron residents, its a safety issue for all
> vessel operators and passengers including ferry riders and tug
> captains.
> that didnt get much air time.
>
> keep sending me (back-channel) the time, date, location, direction,
> and video if you have it, and  name of boats flouting audible signal
> regulations, and i'll keep sending it to the cg.
>
>
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> >    1. Re:  Coast guard response to Battery TV (Christopher Schiffner)
> >    2. Re:  Coast guard response to Battery TV (bonnie13@earthlink.net)
> >    3. Re:  Coast guard response to Battery TV (Elizabeth Powers)
> >    4. Re:  Coast guard response to Battery TV (Elizabeth Powers)
> >    5.  NY Times: Ferry Horns, a Safety Regulation, Cause
> >       Disturbance in Battery Park City (Erik Baard)
> >    6. Re:  Coast guard response to Battery TV (Sandra Sobanski)
> >    7. Re:  Ferry Horn Imbroglio in the New Yorker
> >       (Christopher Schiffner)
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:09:15 -0400
> > From: Christopher Schiffner <chris@schiffner.com>
> > To: nyckayaker post <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> > Message-ID: <51EED4DB.3090602@schiffner.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > For those of you who would like to continue the horn discussion with
> > Wolfgang Gabler directly, he has weighed on the subject via comment on
> > my blog. I won't be filtering comments or blocking users like
> > BatteryPark.TV has been.
> >
> http://www.schiffner.com/whats-all-the-commotion-in-the-battery/#comment-25777
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christopher Schiffner
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:24:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> > From: bonnie13@earthlink.net
> > To: Christopher Schiffner <chris@schiffner.com>,        nyckayaker post
> >         <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> > Message-ID:
> >         <
> 17896327.1374607485983.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Thanks Chris. I think Wolfgang just needs to get it through his entitled
> skull that rules are rules, no means no (especially when both the CG and
> the ferry company are the ones saying no), and he might as well give up
> because there wasn't a battle to fight in the first place (as he was
> probably told a hundred times in the comments he deleted). I totally agree
> with you - he can't get used to it, he should just move.
> >
> > BTW, an old friend from my MKC days sent me a link to a Times CityRoom
> blog story about it. Makes no mention of the censorship, that may have been
> too much complication for a column that has to stay focused and keep to a
> certain number of words, but I think it's a very good take on the basic
> story that started the whole flap.
> >
> >
> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/ferry-horns-a-safety-regulation-cause-disturbance-in-battery-park-city/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Christopher Schiffner <chris@schiffner.com>
> >>Sent: Jul 23, 2013 3:09 PM
> >>To: nyckayaker post <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> >>
> >>For those of you who would like to continue the horn discussion with
> >>Wolfgang Gabler directly, he has weighed on the subject via comment on
> >>my blog. I won't be filtering comments or blocking users like
> >>BatteryPark.TV has been.
> >>
> http://www.schiffner.com/whats-all-the-commotion-in-the-battery/#comment-25777
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Christopher Schiffner
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:30:54 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Elizabeth Powers <elizabethmpowers@yahoo.com>
> > To: Christopher Schiffner <chris@schiffner.com>,        nyckayaker post
> >         <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> > Message-ID:
> >         <1374607854.14215.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > I wonder why he has three boat licenses. Does that mean he has three
> boats as well?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Christopher Schiffner <chris@schiffner.com>
> > To: nyckayaker post <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> >
> >
> > For those of you who would like to continue the horn discussion with
> Wolfgang Gabler directly, he has weighed on the subject via comment on my
> blog. I won't be filtering comments or blocking users like BatteryPark.TV
> has been.
> >
> http://www.schiffner.com/whats-all-the-commotion-in-the-battery/#comment-25777
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christopher Schiffner
> >
> > **********************************************************************
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:53:16 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Elizabeth Powers <elizabethmpowers@yahoo.com>
> > To: "bonnie13@earthlink.net" <bonnie13@earthlink.net>,  Christopher
> >         Schiffner <chris@schiffner.com>,        nyckayaker post
> >         <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> > Message-ID:
> >         <1374609196.41352.YahooMailNeo@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Thanks for this link, which was the NY Times article I mentioned
> recently. I had been reading over a fellow commuter's shoulder and thought
> I saw Mr. Gabler's name mentioned.
> >
> > BTW, I think it must be true that the ferries were not sounding their
> horns, for in my past few outings on the river I have become suddenly aware
> of horns. Has anyone else noticed?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: "bonnie13@earthlink.net" <bonnie13@earthlink.net>
> > To: Christopher Schiffner <chris@schiffner.com>; nyckayaker post <
> nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> >
> >
> > Thanks Chris. I think Wolfgang just needs to get it through his entitled
> skull that rules are rules, no means no (especially when both the CG and
> the ferry company are the ones saying no), and he might as well give up
> because there wasn't a battle to fight in the first place (as he was
> probably told a hundred times in the comments he deleted). I totally agree
> with you - he can't get used to it, he should just move.
> >
> > BTW, an old friend from my MKC days sent me a link to a Times CityRoom
> blog story about it. Makes no mention of the censorship, that may have been
> too much complication for a column that has to stay focused and keep to a
> certain number of words, but I think it's a very good take on the basic
> story that started the whole flap.
> >
> >
> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/ferry-horns-a-safety-regulation-cause-disturbance-in-battery-park-city/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Christopher Schiffner <chris@schiffner.com>
> >>Sent: Jul 23, 2013 3:09 PM
> >>To: nyckayaker post <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [NYCkayaker] Coast guard response to Battery TV
> >>
> >>For those of you who would like to continue the horn discussion with
> >>Wolfgang Gabler directly, he has weighed on the subject via comment on
> >>my blog. I won't be filtering comments or blocking users like
> >>BatteryPark.TV has been.
> >>
> http://www.schiffner.com/whats-all-the-commotion-in-the-battery/#comment-25777
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Christopher Schiffner
> >>
> >>**********************************************************************
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:54:04 -0400
> > From: Erik Baard <erikbaard@gmail.com>
> > To: kayack <nyckayaker@rockandwater.net>,       nycwatertrail
> >         <nyc-water-trail@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: [NYCkayaker] NY Times: Ferry Horns, a Safety Regulation,
> >         Cause Disturbance in Battery Park City
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > NY Times article about the ferry horn situation. I informed by editor
> > there, Andrew Newman (who edits Cityroom), but Nancy mentioned that the
> > reporter might have been alerted through other channels. Also respectful
> of
> > the safety concern.
> >
> >
> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/ferry-horns-a-safety-regulation-cause-disturbance-in-battery-park-city/?_r=0
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:56:57 -0400
> > From: Sandra Sobanski <dragonsandy1@yahoo.com>
> > To: "bonnie13@earthlink.net" <bonnie13@earthlink.net>
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